Archived Payroll Challenge

[waterspout]

Here is the situation ...

In any given week, there is a specific number of hours on the adjacency. So many for POG, revisions, etc.

Do the individual get those hours to set or not?

When I asked my ETL, he said that stores do not get enough payroll to set everything. You just have to make it work.

My experience is that overall, the adjacency is fairly close.

And after all, it's Target that creates the list and determines the hours.

Doesn't it seem insane to create this list for the team then not give the resources to achieve it?

He said to challenge yourself to complete it. What is this, a joust? Challenge?

Why? So that next week, there can be 5% more hours cut off our time?

Am I being naive?

 

[ZombieGurl]

def not being naive. its been this way in my store for the past 5 years ive been the presentation tl. I actually kept copies of the adj. cal every week with a copy for the weekly schedule so they could see the difference between the cal, and what we were given. my new etl pulled me in the office to coach me because we werent getting done and before he even started talking I said "hang on.. got all the papers from my office and my journal of what we do each day" and went back in. by the time the meeting was over he was amazed that we got as much done as we did with the time we are given. Now im not saying we need every single one of those hours because we dont. before when he was just taking 20 -40 hours a week we were still able to accomplish the workload. but that was before 1 hour smart huddle.. that rolls into 1 and a half hour 4x4 every single day of the week (except sat and sunday) many times my team felt defeated and didnt want to get the work done because they were afraid he would take more and more but luckily i have team members who still care about their jobs and work 100%.
I had to adopt a new attitude and get my team to adopt it. We are getting paid by target.. if they want us to smart huddle and 4x4 every day.. do it. give 100% and let the rest roll off your shoulders. we will get the work done eventually and theres no use stressing out about it. Keep good records so you can defend yourself and your team and do things to keep up morale. i give my team stuff .. lunch at food ave, a pepsi, a target dog ..whatever

 

[consume]

Etls gotta make that bonus somehow, can't do it overspending hours

 

[tgtguy]

Etls gotta make that bonus somehow, can't do it overspending hours

There is a difference in "overspending" hours for the sake of making sure the store and the guests are taken care of ...and just burning hours because some etl wants to play teachers pet. Let there be a big visit...then all of the sudden they have all kind of hours to spend...when IF they had spent the hours correctly to begin with...the store wouldn't look like crap and wouldn't need all that extra work for a big visit .

 

[waterspout]

How is it overspending to do it week in and week out under that time? Then consistently be undermined by upper management by having yours hours cut further?

Don't get me wrong, I could hardly care less. But when you are told, get it done however you can, you are asking for people to cut corners. Now that's what I call vibing!

 

[tgtguy]

How is it overspending to do it week in and week out under that time? Then consistently be undermined by upper management by having yours hours cut further?

Don't get me wrong, I could hardly care less. But when you are told, get it done however you can, you are asking for people to cut corners. Now that's what I call vibing!

The truth is its not overspending ...Spot is just trying to save money ...so they expect US to do more w fewer hours. Expect more pay less....is one of their mottos after all. I personally would like to see some of these etls, stls, dtls...come in the stores and show us how to do it in the amount of time they give is ....they wont...because they cant do it and it would prove that maybe just maybe we know what we are talking about .

 

[consume]

Etls gotta make that bonus somehow, can't do it overspending hours

There is a difference in "overspending" hours for the sake of making sure the store and the guests are taken care of ...and just burning hours because some etl wants to play teachers pet. Let there be a big visit...then all of the sudden they have all kind of hours to spend...when IF they had spent the hours correctly to begin with...the store wouldn't look like crap and wouldn't need all that extra work for a big visit .

Not to someone who makes a bonus for making it under the specified hour limit (Etl)

 

[consume]

Its like Etl limbo... Can you bend under the bar while making other people's jobs more difficult by cutting hours..

Ours always seem to be able to

 

[tgtguy]

Etls gotta make that bonus somehow, can't do it overspending hours

There is a difference in "overspending" hours for the sake of making sure the store and the guests are taken care of ...and just burning hours because some etl wants to play teachers pet. Let there be a big visit...then all of the sudden they have all kind of hours to spend...when IF they had spent the hours correctly to begin with...the store wouldn't look like crap and wouldn't need all that extra work for a big visit .

Not to someone who makes a bonus for making it under the specified hour limit (Etl)

That's the whole issue....they should ONLY get a bonus IF they make payroll and their store looks great....ie all workcenters. Just because they can cut hours doesn't make them a good leader. Seems pointless to reward someone for cutting hours and their store looks like crap.

 

[consume]

They should get a fuckin bonus only if they make sales, shortage, hours, and can keep tms

 

[tgtguy]

They should get a fuckin bonus only if they make sales, shortage, hours, and can keep tms

true but that's not how their current sytem works which is a shame

 

[consume]

Etls gotta make that bonus somehow, can't do it overspending hours

There is a difference in "overspending" hours for the sake of making sure the store and the guests are taken care of ...and just burning hours because some etl wants to play teachers pet. Let there be a big visit...then all of the sudden they have all kind of hours to spend...when IF they had spent the hours correctly to begin with...the store wouldn't look like crap and wouldn't need all that extra work for a big visit .

Not to someone who makes a bonus for making it under the specified hour limit (Etl)

That's the whole issue....they should ONLY get a bonus IF they make payroll and their store looks great....ie all workcenters. Just because they can cut hours doesn't make them a good leader. Seems pointless to reward someone for cutting hours and their store looks like crap.

Oh, and ours get a bonus for not going over allotted hours.

 

[waterspout]

Tips to cut set times:
1) Don't rotate product. After all, flow doesn't FIFO either. Especially medicine or vitamins.
2) If possible, just face one of each product when setting.
3) Don't clean. Ooh, this is a big one. You can cut a lot of time off the top by not cleaning.

Any other tips? Specifically for shoes, we are up against it tomorrow. Shoes to do and less than half the set hours to do it.

 

[AllThingsTarget101]

Tips to cut set times:
1) Don't rotate product. After all, flow doesn't FIFO either. Especially medicine or vitamins.
2) If possible, just face one of each product when setting.
3) Don't clean. Ooh, this is a big one. You can cut a lot of time off the top by not cleaning.

Any other tips? Specifically for shoes, we are up against it tomorrow. Shoes to do and less than half the set hours to do it.

Tips to get fired*

I think that's what you meant.

 

[whippingboy]

Welcome to the New Target. At least you are doing shoes and not produce, "fresh and full" has been thrown out the window.

 

[waterspout]

Tips to cut set times:
1) Don't rotate product. After all, flow doesn't FIFO either. Especially medicine or vitamins.
2) If possible, just face one of each product when setting.
3) Don't clean. Ooh, this is a big one. You can cut a lot of time off the top by not cleaning.

Any other tips? Specifically for shoes, we are up against it tomorrow. Shoes to do and less than half the set hours to do it.

Tips to get fired*

I think that's what you meant.

I don't see any flow team members being fired for not fifoing. Or coached. Or even talked to. So ... It seems as long as the twt is 100% at the end of the week, nothing, and I mean NOTHING else matters. Right?

I helped a guest the other day in diabetic care with the sugar free Robitussin. Over half the product was outdated. All the new in the front. Do you really think if I went to the trouble of saying anything, anyone would care? That's naive.

 

[qmosqueen]

"fresh and full" has been thrown out the window.

what is that you speak of ??? lol we used to be fresh and full by 4 PM, but with the closer coming in at 3 PM that is not happening. We still have produce to push and the FDC never sends enough meat or salads to keep us full. Our salads are empty the day before a truck delivery and the counts are correct, we do research on non truck days to keep the produce and meat we no longer can order coming in. Somehow the FDC or however the system works does not send enough, so we are always empty on the salads !!

 

[whippingboy]

Once we were completely out of salads... we pulled the pushers off the shelf and put in watermelons. No joke.

 

[consume]

You wanna talk about fuckin salads. The day spot took away ordering things that are always empty now like bakery table/salads.. While I do research them while I order, if they aren't full, it's instocks conscern

 

[tgtguy]

Maybe the etls cut the instocks hours so they could get that raise

 

[Produce Queen]

"fresh and full" has been thrown out the window.

what is that you speak of ??? lol we used to be fresh and full by 4 PM, but with the closer coming in at 3 PM that is not happening. We still have produce to push and the FDC never sends enough meat or salads to keep us full. Our salads are empty the day before a truck delivery and the counts are correct, we do research on non truck days to keep the produce and meat we no longer can order coming in. Somehow the FDC or however the system works does not send enough, so we are always empty on the salads !!

This is ridiculous. You guys are doing everything right to insure good instocks. What needs to happen now is mysupport the dept/class (211-30 I think) asking that your OTA be increased. If that doesn't do the trick, you need to have your ETL contact whoever oversees food at the corporate level. Matt Gordon is the one for my area.

 

[Gulfcoast]

You wanna talk about fuckin salads. The day spot took away ordering things that are always empty now like bakery table/salads.. While I do research them while I order, if they aren't full, it's instocks conscern

BackroomTL and ETL-LOG banned my grocery from researching, under the guise of a new instocks procedure. Instocks is the only team allowed to research, and grocery is researched one day of the week, if they aren't pulled for some pet project.

I frankly just said to hell with it, fire outs twice a day (if flow and backroom bothered backstocking the truck) and flex when necessary.

Mysupport was no help.

 

[JustJoe]

Mysupport was no help.

 

[backroomguy]

Your instocks team should be researching pfresh and market twice a week, either on tuesday or wednesday (store choice) and friday.

 

[Rarejem]

Your instocks team should be researching pfresh and market twice a week, either on tuesday or wednesday (store choice) and friday.

I just did a coffee spit take.... our pfresh hasn't been pushed and backstocked before our shifts are over in almost 4 months. You must have missed the memo where they cut those hours in half and added 4x4's and pushing reshop and truck after the few flow tm's we have left are gone for the day and then going to backstock for the rest of the shift. Instocks only exists on paper and the day after a visit.