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Maybe you don't travel in the right leftest circles but there were plenty of us who were critical of the drone strikes which was part of the reason Obama put the rules in place.
 

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Where I live I have to use the Internet to engage with anybody who's not well inside the blue quadrant of the Political Compass, and I was curious as to what the literal commies thought of Obama (if only because he was thought to be one himself by a lot of the GOP voters I know). I had to chuckle because this CPUSA guy I came across was roasting Obama as "Bush 2.0" and "neoliberal business as usual" and that made a lot of Yass Queen's fans quite upset, lol
 

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Where I live I have to use the Internet to engage with anybody who's not well inside the blue quadrant of the Political Compass, and I was curious as to what the literal commies thought of Obama (if only because he was thought to be one himself by a lot of the GOP voters I know). I had to chuckle because this CPUSA guy I came across was roasting Obama as "Bush 2.0" and "neoliberal business as usual" and that made a lot of Yass Queen's fans quite upset, lol
Did we meet in real life? I'm not CPUSA*, but those be my thoughts on Obama.

*Not a commie or Marxist. Democratic Socialist in the vein of Karl Polanyi. We leftists come in a lot of varieties.
 

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Can we get another wall up in here?
The 1,538 miles just between Alaska and Canada would be amazing to watch them try and build.
It took 10,000 men and two years to build the AlCan Highway at roughly a cost of $138,000,000 (not including the cost of feeding or paying the men because they were soldiers).
That would be $2,051,488,402 in today's money.
This is just for a gravel road to get through some of the most hostile areas in the country.
This is not actually trying to build a major structure.
For context the border between Texas and Mexico is only about 250 miles shorter than that.
 

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Every time I see one of these, my eyes roll so far back into my head I can see the inside of my skull. She's basically just jerking herself off. If it has no chance of ever passing, then why bother either proposing it? You're not going to make the Republicans shake and quiver with fear because it won't ever come into effect.
 

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Every time I see one of these, my eyes roll so far back into my head I can see the inside of my skull. She's basically just jerking herself off. If it has no chance of ever passing, then why bother either proposing it? You're not going to make the Republicans shake and quiver with fear because it won't ever come into effect.
You know some right wing nut jobs are eventually going to run with it and claim it's what the left really wants. That'll be good for some laughs.
 

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Speaking of the Left and testicles, have you guys seen I Am Jazz? It's a documentary that follows around a prepubescent boy as he transitions, and we're even blessed with all the gruesome details involved with keeping his artificial frankenvagina dilated so it doesn't close up while it's healing. The dad being interviewed in a documentary about his son's vagina is probably the part where I asked out loud if we can just go ahead and cancel the 21st century already.

This is apparently the measure by which the far-Left is going to be gauging your social acceptability, soon if not already. Gone are the days when the "behind closed doors" and "if you don't like it don't do it" talking points were still being used; now you either find Jazz's frankenvagina POWERFUL and pledge that you would in fact fuck her too, or you are literally Hitler. The normies are paralyzed between what their lying brains are telling them (i.e. that this cannot possibly be a healthy phenomenon) and wanting to avoid the social opprobrium they will incur if they acknowledge that.

The funny part is that I can get a lot of the rank-and-file libs I know to agree that a prepubescent child having his neovagina aired to the world has a very creepy and fucked up aspect to it, but they haven't yet picked up on the ideological direction this has been taking. I have gazed into the abyss that is "the right side of history" and quite frankly I'm not a fan.
 

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Seriously, if you don't want a vagina don't get one.
If you find the story of someone transitioning distasteful don't watch it.
Just curious but would you feel the same way about F2M?
 

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The Jazz kid was doubly disturbing because it involves a literal child and the voyeuristic aspect of a big time TV production centered around it. A kid who isn't old enough to give informed consent to sex can consent to that?

The XtoY stuff is a set of mental disorders involving a fetish that has taken over the person's identity, which for some reason has been made into a centerpiece of the culture war. The TERFs have picked up on the unmistakable fetishistic quality of M2F "femininity" better than anyone else it seems...you can clearly see that it's all a guy's idea of what being a woman is, or an actual larp, and the response to TERFs perfectly illustrates my point. You're either eating out that neovagina with a purpose, or you are a Klansman, no exceptions. And that's even without arguing from a moral/religious standpoint, and even despite TERFs agreeing with their left-wing critics on 99% of issues.

In a sane world the desire to transition would be recognized for what it is (a paraphilia) and treated with medication rather than legitimizing it as an identity. Obviously there's nothing "wrong" with having a mental disorder in that it's involuntary, and individuals with these disorders should be treated with compassion like everyone else, however the Left's appropriation of it as a culture war issue to gaslight normies with is the truly disgusting part.
 
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The Jazz kid was doubly disturbing because it involves a literal child and the voyeuristic aspect of a big time TV production centered around it. A kid who isn't old enough to give informed consent to sex can consent to that?

The XtoY stuff is a set of mental disorders involving a fetish that has taken over the person's identity, which for some reason has been made into a centerpiece of the culture war. The TERFs have picked up on the unmistakable fetishistic quality of M2F "femininity" better than anyone else it seems...you can clearly see that it's all a guy's idea of what being a woman is, or an actual larp, and the response to TERFs perfectly illustrates my point. You're either eating out that neovagina with a purpose, or you are a Klansman, no exceptions. And that's even without arguing from a moral/religious standpoint, and even despite TERFs agreeing with their left-wing critics on 99% of issues.

In a sane world the desire to transition would be recognized for what it is (a paraphilia) and treated with medication rather than legitimizing it as an identity. Obviously there's nothing "wrong" with having a mental disorder in that it's involuntary, and individuals with these disorders should be treated with compassion like everyone else, however the Left's appropriation of it as a culture war issue to gaslight normies with is the truly disgusting part.
Get off the internet, my dude. You've got more buzzwords and paranoia that doesn't in the real world than I've seen in awhile. Take an ebreak.
 

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Get off the internet, my dude. You've got more buzzwords and paranoia that doesn't in the real world than I've seen in awhile. Take an ebreak.
Paranoia? The last time a lib accused me of being paranoid was when I debated with one about mass immigration. "Hurr durr the evil brown people are coming to rape and murder your family amirite?!?!?!!?!??!" Please expand.
 

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The Jazz kid was doubly disturbing because it involves a literal child and the voyeuristic aspect of a big time TV production centered around it. A kid who isn't old enough to give informed consent to sex can consent to that?

The XtoY stuff is a set of mental disorders involving a fetish that has taken over the person's identity, which for some reason has been made into a centerpiece of the culture war. The TERFs have picked up on the unmistakable fetishistic quality of M2F "femininity" better than anyone else it seems...you can clearly see that it's all a guy's idea of what being a woman is, or an actual larp, and the response to TERFs perfectly illustrates my point. You're either eating out that neovagina with a purpose, or you are a Klansman, no exceptions. And that's even without arguing from a moral/religious standpoint, and even despite TERFs agreeing with their left-wing critics on 99% of issues.

In a sane world the desire to transition would be recognized for what it is (a paraphilia) and treated with medication rather than legitimizing it as an identity. Obviously there's nothing "wrong" with having a mental disorder in that it's involuntary, and individuals with these disorders should be treated with compassion like everyone else, however the Left's appropriation of it as a culture war issue to gaslight normies with is the truly disgusting part.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer but I'll ask the question anyway.
Do you know anyone who is trans?
Do you have any friends, coworkers, or compatriots, who you know are trans?

My guess is no ( or they really hurt your feelings).

As a an old cis male this really isn't my bailiwick but I can say a few things.
One, I don't consider this a left or right thing, it is a human thing.
This needs to be something where you need to accept the word of the trans people as to their status.

I work with trans people on a regular basis.
They come DVR not because being trans is a disability, it isn't.
The DSM-5 does not classify it as a mental disorder at all.
What it does classify is PTSD from being beaten by parents because the client wanted to wear dresses (oh yeah, that shit still goes on).

I am also surprised you even pulled out the mental illness card since the Christian Right used to use that (and sometimes still do) against the gay and lesbian community.
This is no more of a culture war then getting marriage equality it is just justice, so people can have the life they are supposed to.
There have been trans people for centuries, just without the opportunity for surgery.
They should have the same rights as anyone else, which is why this is not left or right.

Most of all, fuck TERFs very much.
Nobody who is willing to join up with the Christian Right gets to call themselves feminist.
 

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Maybe with enough treatments the Jazz kid won’t melt down and scream “It’s Ma’am!”
 

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It's rather telling that I'm already suspected of having a personal animus against trans people because I don't recognize transsexualism as a legitimate identity. No, a trans person did not touch me when I was a kid. No I am not cowering in fear because the evil trannies are going to take over the country and force me to transition. Read my goddamn post. It's about the politicization of a marginal issue that's quickly being standardized as a required opinion to be part of the progressive club. THAT is the main issue I have with the trans stuff (not including the bizarre sexualization of children, re: Jazz).

Most of all, fuck TERFs very much.
Exactly the response I expected. They literally agree with you on almost everything and yet here we are. A live and let live libertarian until we fly too close to the sun with our opinions, eh?

For the record, the TERFs, which I guarantee you haven't seriously read, assert that the experience of womanhood is unique and can't be replicated via a surgical procedure. They don't argue from a moral/religious precedent, and their imagined connection to the religious right is just other libs trying to smear them. If you consider "agreeing with someone on one single thing" to be "joining up", then by that logic you are a Nazi because you believe that the state should be responsible for the upkeep of public infrastructure, just like the Nazis did. Oh no!
 

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Ok. This will get me in trouble but who in their right mind would have gender altering treatments performed on their pre pubescent child ? Old school question.
 

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Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I made a snarky comment that was mostly meant as a joke but it was not the meat of my post.
I do not think your comments are based on a bad experience.
But I did notice you didn't answer my question.
Do you have friends or people you know well who are trans?

And I was not talking about politicizing a marginal issue.
I was talking about not making people's lives a horrific experience, allowing them to be who they are and treating them like we would everyone else.
Not having seen the documentary I can't talk about the serialization you have picked up but I have seen some of her videos and Jazz seems like a pretty cool kid.

As to TERFs, I've read their stuff.
It sucks.
For me it would be like a group of liberals who like all the things I like but who think that Jews can't be real liberals and should be gassed.
You already lost on Godwin's Law, I might as go all out.

This isn't political for me.
This is about helping the people I work with live their lives free from persecution and derision.
 
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