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@Humble TL isn't an incel, he's a Muslim. I paged him to this thread as an expert witness and to allow the responses to his posts to highlight exactly what I mean by Gilead-Dearborn.

incels: "Women are inferior and belong in the kitchen!"
libs: "REEEEEEEEEE!!"
Muslims: "Women are inferior and belong in the kitchen!"
libs: "Hey let's let in 1,000,000+ of these people every year!"

An inspiration for contemplation! 🤔
 
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I don't like anybody who uses their religion to discriminate against others regardless of what religion that is. I also do not believe we should be discriminating against others because of their religion.
 

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Abortions are also about promiscuous men using abortions as birth control.
Lets not forget it is MEN ,predominantly,in this country that make the laws.
I already conceded that abortions for the sake of saving lives should be allowed, I don’t understand why abortion for any reason at all should be allowed. Can you please explain?
Abortion for any reason at all should be allowed because women must have bodily autonomy.
Forcing women to be breeders, to carry a child against their will, goes against the basic principles of this country.
Nobody can force you to give blood even if you are the only person available with that blood type available and people will die if you don't.
You have autonomy, just as every woman must.

It is not Muslims making these awful laws.
It is Right Wing Christians.

I have friends who are moderate Muslims.
I will take them over the Christian Taliban any day of the week.
We may not agree on every subject but they don't want to force their religion on me.
 

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Who is forcing women to be breeders? Even though that is one of their biological functions. Aborting a fetus at 8 weeks+ for no reason other than wish, is cruel. It is not humane , just like forcing anyone to do anything against their will.
Just out of curiosity, is there anytime at all in a woman’s pregnancy that abortion should be illegal? Or banned? How about at 30 weeks or 35 weeks?
 

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I was having the "universal income" and "universal healthcare" debate with one of my roommates and her brothers and my roommate basically says "socialism is communism". The reason Universal Income came up was because someone named Andrew Yang is running as a Democratic Candidate and is proposing slashing welfare in half and surcharging companies like Amazon to provide all adults with $1000 a month. I think it's a good idea in theory, and I'd really like to see how something like that could work. My roommate was saying that's socialism, capitalism works, it's only going to enable drug addicts, dealers, and bad people to continue doing bad things. She also mentioned it would keep people out of work with $1000 a month. Her brothers made the point of "Who can live comfortably off of $1000 a month? You can't, you're going to starve to get the bills paid."

An extra $1000 a month to any other American could greatly stimulate the economy, be used towards their individual debt, whether it be student loans, medical, car, etc... and would create a whole new financial well-being if you are already working 40+ hours a week. The only issue is people SUCK with money, most people are just absolutely dreadful when it comes to impulse buying, budgeting, spending smart, saving wisely. One of her brothers made a point that he was 100% against it because it would raise the cost of living, and he did some digging and explained why it wouldn't after consulting with some of his economics friends. He's this really smart guy, does a LOT of college, is majoring in Math on-top of working to become a Pastor. His other brother is finishing up generals and is going into a Math degree as well. Not the kind of degrees I would personally go for, I don't 100% see the value in the job market to have that if it wasn't personal achievement, but they're smart guys... I've known one of my roommate's brothers for years.

I made the point that while Capitalism DOES work... I think it could use a bit of "socialism"... but then my roommate made points about how private companies running the roads, private companies running the DMV, etc.. would probably be leagues better because the Government SUCKS at it. I pretty much agree with that. I think the fact the United States doesn't have some form of universal or affordable healthcare puts us behind in the world, not that that's nothing new.

On abortion.. I'll probably get back on that because I haven't 100% followed the latest Alabama stuff. I will just say terminating a cluster of cells that has no brain, no pain receptors, no conscience, no physical awareness, nothing... should be allowed. Yes, it's murder if you spin it that way, but in the end it's just like killing a fish. A fish has no pain receptors, it's just pure instinct. Larger fish or other kinds of tropical fish certainly have a bit of a better brain capacity but for the most part their brains are just SLEEP KILL EAT, flight from the bigger fish, etc.. You should not be burdened to giving birth to your defiler's spawn. You should not be forsaken to experience that. You can't help that you got raped, you can certainly help it if you actively engaged in incest.. but I think there needs to be a very defined criteria for abortions. Figure out when it's acceptable to terminate the baby without it feeling it. I'll read on it a little more but you should be 100% in your rights to terminate an embyro if it ever met a certain criteria. Republicans are so full of "what if" and are addicted to personifying objects to twist it one way. Everyone's guilty of it, but when it comes to a cluster of cells we need to be realistic. You can deep freeze embyros and store them, you can't do that to a baby or you will kill it. What does that tell me? It tells me that there's really not that much there.

Like I said, I'm gonna look into it more when I can and develop my own opinion on it, so take the above statement with a grain of salt.
For the record universal basic income is not socialism, although some socialists support the idea in theory (but not at the pittance of $1,000 a month). Other socialists are strongly opposed to the idea. It's originally a liberal idea that stems from Saint Thomas More's book Utopia. Thomas Paine also proposed it in the The Rights of Man.

Socialism is not the government doing stuff. The ultimate end goal of mainstream socialist thought is there would be no government eventually. That's the endpoint of Marx's dialetical materialism. As for socialism being communism, it depends what you mean. Communism is a subset of socialism, but not all socialists are communists. For example, me.

As for abortion. I learned a long time ago to not touch that debate on the Internet.
 

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@Humble TL isn't an incel, he's a Muslim. I paged him to this thread as an expert witness and to allow the responses to his posts to highlight exactly what I mean by Gilead-Dearborn.

incels: "Women are inferior and belong in the kitchen!"
libs: "REEEEEEEEEE!!"
Muslims: "Women are inferior and belong in the kitchen!"
libs: "Hey let's let in 1,000,000+ of these people every year!"

An inspiration for contemplation! 🤔
Totally they should all be sent back to the hell holes they crawled out of, they dont belong here, filth , am I right?
 

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Who is forcing women to be breeders? Even though that is one of their biological functions. Aborting a fetus at 8 weeks+ for no reason other than wish, is cruel. It is not humane , just like forcing anyone to do anything against their will.
Just out of curiosity, is there anytime at all in a woman’s pregnancy that abortion should be illegal? Or banned? How about at 30 weeks or 35 weeks?
These laws will force them to carry children no matter the reason, rape and incest included.
Bodily autonomy is everyones right.
Nobody is going to take your kidney because it will save someone else's life.
Nobody has the right to force a woman to carry a fetus to term.
 

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These laws will force them to carry children no matter the reason, rape and incest included.
Bodily autonomy is everyones right.
Nobody is going to take your kidney because it will save someone else's life.
Nobody has the right to force a woman to carry a fetus to term.
So 30-35 week abortion is ok?

Note:-50 to 70 percent of babies born at 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27 weeks, survive.
 
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Who is forcing women to be breeders? Even though that is one of their biological functions. Aborting a fetus at 8 weeks+ for no reason other than wish, is cruel. It is not humane , just like forcing anyone to do anything against their will.
Just out of curiosity, is there anytime at all in a woman’s pregnancy that abortion should be illegal? Or banned? How about at 30 weeks or 35 weeks?
In my personal opinion that you should only understand is my personal opinion and not representative of the pro-choice movement whatsoever, I think abortion should be allowed at any point up until birth.

That said, I have been called a psychopath and an extremist for this, which makes sense.

For the record universal basic income is not socialism, although some socialists support the idea in theory (but not at the pittance of $1,000 a month). Other socialists are strongly opposed to the idea. It's originally a liberal idea that stems from Saint Thomas More's book Utopia. Thomas Paine also proposed it in the The Rights of Man.

Socialism is not the government doing stuff. The ultimate end goal of mainstream socialist thought is there would be no government eventually. That's the endpoint of Marx's dialetical materialism. As for socialism being communism, it depends what you mean. Communism is a subset of socialism, but not all socialists are communists. For example, me.

As for abortion. I learned a long time ago to not touch that debate on the Internet.
For me, there's one topic I will never touch on the Internet: Israel. No matter the opinion, you're bound to piss off someone.
 
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If anybody bothered to do any amount of research, they will find that states that allow abortions beyond the first trimester generally only do so when medically necessary (mother will die trying to carry to term) and late term abortions are only allowed in when serious defects that will result in the child dying very early in life are discovered.

I've said several times before and will say it again, pro-lifers don't really care about the child's life; only the birth. If they really cared about the child's life, they would be trying to incentivize people to adopt and not be so quick to gut child welfare programs. Instead, they gut tax breaks for adoptions and constantly target programs like WIC.

And if we really want to drag religion into it, the Book of Numbers literally gives a recipe to force a miscarriage as a test for a faithful wife. So I'm not buying the "all life is sacred to God" bullshit.
 

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In 2003, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 26% of reported legal induced abortions in the United States were known to have been obtained at less than 6 weeks' gestation, 18% at 7 weeks, 15% at 8 weeks, 18% at 9 through 10 weeks, 10% at 11 through 12 weeks, 6% at 13 through 15 weeks, 4% at 16 through 20 weeks and 1% at more than 21 weeks (always as @Backroom81 pointed out when it is a medical necessity - a decision that should be made by the woman and her doctor without the government getting involved).
 

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Abortion is being pushed by pigs and whores, pigs who want untethered access to women with no repercussions, and whores who are brought up with the sense that its ok to sleep around.
So if a young girl whose dad uses her as a sex toy gets pregnant, should she be forced to stand as a testament to her vile excuse of a parent?
What about the 'innocent child' born to this? They should grow up knowing what they were a product of society's biggest taboos?
If the authorities managed to take custody of the child & put them up for adoption so they can grow up in a 'normal' loving family, what happens when they discover the truth?
What if your daughter were raped through no fault of her own?
Are you going to blame her for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Are you going to demand that she wed her rapist to repair family honor & lessen the shame?
 

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Totally they should all be sent back to the hell holes they crawled out of, they dont belong here, filth , am I right?
An unfortunate misunderstanding, my friend. Allow me to explain:

Islam itself is not the issue here. I literally don't give a flying fuck what Muslims do in Muslim countries.

However, the topic of Islam in the US is a great way to draw attention to the very specific anti-Christian bigotry of American leftists.

American leftists claim that a large plurality of right-leaning or conservative voters are literally foaming at the mouth to put women back in the kitchen, and they keep on using Gilead from Handmaid's Tale as alarmist example of what will happen to American women if we don't stop Drumpf. This is despite a decades-long trend of declining church attendance, an increasing number of non-religious or "spiritual but non-religious" folks and a general trend toward less religiosity, not more.

Here's where it starts to get funny, though. Let's ~DECONSTRUCT~ it all here. Islam and Christianity share many of the same views about gender roles for men and women, but most leftists only take issue with the latter. A Christian male who says women are meant to be homemakers and shouldn't terminate their pregnancies has a big snout and a curly tail, but the exact same rhetoric in the mouth of a newly arrived Muslim immigrant is shrugged off indifferently or else excused with "well that's just their cultcha". There's usually a claim that the new arrivals will assimilate and drop their sexist views as soon as the plane enters the liberty field projected by the Statue of Liberty. Except that, you know, by definition there's no expectation for anyone to assimilate under multiculturalism, and assimilation requires there to be some distinct, ubiquitous culture to assimilate into. Assimilate into what exactly, our mish mash of 60,000 different rando cultures and ethnic groups? I don't believe assimilation is realistic and I don't think the libs believe that either.

What actually happens after arrival is that the immigrant(s) very quickly assimilate into making a double-digit wage, but retain everything else they brought from their home country including the aforementioned sexism. Muslim women who arrive in the US might get a bigger kitchen than the one they had at home, but they're still stuck in it for the most part. America in the mind of a leftist exists in two quantum states: as either a bigoted Christian patriarchy with de-facto legal rape and Nazis in the White House, or a land of opportunity where immigrants come for a better life, depending on whether or not immigration is the current topic of debate.

So you can hopefully see now why these libs are really trying my patience as of late.
 
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So if a young girl whose dad uses her as a sex toy gets pregnant, should she be forced to stand as a testament to her vile excuse of a parent?
What about the 'innocent child' born to this? They should grow up knowing what they were a product of society's biggest taboos?
If the authorities managed to take custody of the child & put them up for adoption so they can grow up in a 'normal' loving family, what happens when they discover the truth?
What if your daughter were raped through no fault of her own?
Are you going to blame her for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Are you going to demand that she wed her rapist to repair family honor & lessen the shame?
If a rapist were hung in the public square, you’d have many many less rapist.
 

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An unfortunate misunderstanding, my friend. Allow me to explain:

Islam itself is not the issue here. I literally don't give a flying fuck what Muslims do in Muslim countries.

However, the topic of Islam in the US is a great way to draw attention to the very specific anti-Christian bigotry of American leftists.

American leftists claim that a large plurality of right-leaning or conservative voters are literally foaming at the mouth to put women back in the kitchen, and they keep on using Gilead from Handmaid's Tale as alarmist example of what will happen to American women if we don't stop Drumpf. This is despite a decades-long trend of declining church attendance, an increasing number of non-religious or "spiritual but non-religious" folks and a general trend toward less religiosity, not more.

Here's where it starts to get funny, though. Let's ~DECONSTRUCT~ it all here. Islam and Christianity share many of the same views about gender roles for men and women, but most leftists only take issue with the latter. A Christian male who says women are meant to be homemakers and shouldn't terminate their pregnancies has a big snout and a curly tail, but the exact same rhetoric in the mouth of a newly arrived Muslim immigrant is shrugged off indifferently or else excused with "well that's just their cultcha". There's usually a claim that the new arrivals will assimilate and drop their sexist views as soon as the plane enters the liberty field projected by the Statue of Liberty. Except that, you know, by definition there's no expectation for anyone to assimilate under multiculturalism, and assimilation requires there to be some distinct, ubiquitous culture to assimilate into. Assimilate into what exactly, our mish mash of 60,000 different rando cultures and ethnic groups? I don't believe assimilation is realistic and I don't think the libs believe that either.

What actually happens after arrival is that the immigrant(s) very quickly assimilate into making a double-digit wage, but retain everything else they brought from their home country including the aforementioned sexism. Muslim women who arrive in the US might get a bigger kitchen than the one they had at home, but they're still stuck in it for the most part. America in the mind of a leftist exists in two quantum states: as either a bigoted Christian patriarchy with de-facto legal rape and Nazis in the White House, or a land of opportunity where immigrants come for a better life, depending on whether or not immigration is the current topic of debate.

So you can hopefully see now why these libs are really trying my patience as of late.
I think you fail to understand the difference between a native born white male, and an immigrant that arrived yesterday.
The native born white male has the power to push for changes in law by organizing and voting.
The immigrant who just arrived might have more draconian views , but is limited to the double digit salary.
For the most part immigrants, Muslim immigrants have a live and let live attitude. It is in our basic code of ethics.
On the other hand, native born white males have been solely responsible for blowing up abortion clinics, churches , enacting laws to curtail freedoms dear to libs, and killing anyone that disagree with the “Murica” ideology.
They’ve have created carnage the likes of of which hadn’t been seen since the native white male slaughtered the Native Americans.
I like how you generalize and describe a whole religion, which consists of vastly different cultures and social structures/norms, to “those in the kitchen and those outside of it”, It shows your understanding of the subject quite well.
 
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An unfortunate misunderstanding, my friend. Allow me to explain:

Islam itself is not the issue here. I literally don't give a flying fuck what Muslims do in Muslim countries.

However, the topic of Islam in the US is a great way to draw attention to the very specific anti-Christian bigotry of American leftists.

American leftists claim that a large plurality of right-leaning or conservative voters are literally foaming at the mouth to put women back in the kitchen, and they keep on using Gilead from Handmaid's Tale as alarmist example of what will happen to American women if we don't stop Drumpf. This is despite a decades-long trend of declining church attendance, an increasing number of non-religious or "spiritual but non-religious" folks and a general trend toward less religiosity, not more.

Here's where it starts to get funny, though. Let's ~DECONSTRUCT~ it all here. Islam and Christianity share many of the same views about gender roles for men and women, but most leftists only take issue with the latter. A Christian male who says women are meant to be homemakers and shouldn't terminate their pregnancies has a big snout and a curly tail, but the exact same rhetoric in the mouth of a newly arrived Muslim immigrant is shrugged off indifferently or else excused with "well that's just their cultcha". There's usually a claim that the new arrivals will assimilate and drop their sexist views as soon as the plane enters the liberty field projected by the Statue of Liberty. Except that, you know, by definition there's no expectation for anyone to assimilate under multiculturalism, and assimilation requires there to be some distinct, ubiquitous culture to assimilate into. Assimilate into what exactly, our mish mash of 60,000 different rando cultures and ethnic groups? I don't believe assimilation is realistic and I don't think the libs believe that either.

What actually happens after arrival is that the immigrant(s) very quickly assimilate into making a double-digit wage, but retain everything else they brought from their home country including the aforementioned sexism. Muslim women who arrive in the US might get a bigger kitchen than the one they had at home, but they're still stuck in it for the most part. America in the mind of a leftist exists in two quantum states: as either a bigoted Christian patriarchy with de-facto legal rape and Nazis in the White House, or a land of opportunity where immigrants come for a better life, depending on whether or not immigration is the current topic of debate.

So you can hopefully see now why these libs are really trying my patience as of late.
The difference here is that Muslims aren't the ones cramming legislation through imposing their religious based beliefs on the general population. I don't give a fuck what people do legally in their own home. If they want a household culture of "women should be in the kitchen", that's their right. I may not agree with it but it's their right. When those people take actions to try to push all women into the kitchen, I say something.

Ironically, if these current abortion laws were being pushed by CAIR instead of Christian lobbyists, conservatives would be screaming "OMG Sharia law" and vote them down in no time.
 

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Dayum tough crowd tonight! It's okay though I really do love everyone in the audience here, except Jakey lurking with a proxy lol

What you should be taking away from all that is that it's not a particular bitch about Islam itself. I don't even care that a plurality of Muslims think gay sex should be punishable by death. If anything I think the Dems use immigrants as their front-line foederati troops in the culture war.

The native born white male has the power to push for changes in law by organizing and voting.
The other side of the story is that white people can't and don't organize in collective self-interest to the extent that other groups do. The white electorate is split heavily by class, background, religion and political affiliation, e.g. you have coastal white males who sneer at Southerners and call them hicks and trailer trash, who in turn call the coastal white males soyboys and homos. Really the most interesting part about the 2016 election cycle was the various white factions wishing death on one another. You don't really see that kind of infighting in anyone else's club, they seem to have it on lockdown for the most part.

I would also like to direct your attention to one Notorious R.B.G., whose decades of jurisprudence has had a profound influence on public policy that will outlive her for a long time. It's even safe to say that the Left probably wouldn't be where they are today without her help. The Left is still a formidable opponent, they have boatloads of cash and are the custodians of culture. That's why all American women aren't in the kitchen and wearing bonnets despite white males having that power. There is a white male in the White House at the moment but he's out in 4.5 years max and the Left will still be around with their heavy hitting institutional power and money.

The rest of your post is worthless snark so I'll be letting it lie. The main thing I want you to think about, however, is that when I mull over the ins and outs of immigration policy I'm not thinking about evil Muslims who want to blow me up. What I am thinking about is that time our very own Brian "Gulfstream" Cornell was shedding crocodile tears about Drumpf's immigration restriction calling it heartless, while Americans who work at his company are having their rent money fucked with by his hour cuts and staff reductions. I'm thinking about the inherently disloyal character of Capital and how they'll always betray the country that allowed them to acquire their wealth in the first place, and if that means pushing for mass immigration to expand the labor pool (+$$$$$$$$) they'll do it at the drop of a hat. Capital is ultimately responsible for immigration and the issues that I have with it.

When those people take actions to try to push all women into the kitchen, I say something.
Has anything that even approximates this ever been proposed for real and did it have very broad support?

I don't think abortion restriction qualifies, either. The Left frames it as a bodily autonomy issue and the Right frames it as a right-to-life issue. Depends who you ask.

There would have to be extreme, unrealistically stupid amounts of legislative repeal and cultural shift for women to actually be returned to a restrictive domestic life in a way that comes close to 1930s USA much less Gilead. They would first have to repeal the 19th Amendment which is absolutely never happening, then repeal various anti-discrimination laws, then re-legalize obligatory coverture, then assume hilariously that these money thirsty capitalists are really going to alienate over half of their customer base by kicking women out of their workforce and/or wait many decades for women to leave the workforce by attrition or termination. That's MRA/incel fan fiction and nothing more.

Ironically, if these current abortion laws were being pushed by CAIR instead of Christian lobbyists, conservatives would be screaming "OMG Sharia law" and vote them down in no time.
If CAIR just came out in support of abortion restriction I don't think anybody would object.
 
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Has anything that even approximates this ever been proposed for real and did it have very broad support?

I don't think abortion restriction qualifies, either. The Left frames it as a bodily autonomy issue and the Right frames it as a right-to-life issue. Depends who you ask.

There would have to be extreme, unrealistically stupid amounts of legislative repeal and cultural shift for women to actually be returned to a restrictive domestic life in a way that comes close to 1930s USA much less Gilead. They would first have to repeal the 19th Amendment which is absolutely never happening, then repeal various anti-discrimination laws, then re-legalize obligatory coverture, then assume hilariously that these money thirsty capitalists are really going to alienate over half of their customer base by kicking women out of their workforce and/or wait many decades for women to leave the workforce by attrition or termination. That's MRA/incel fan fiction and nothing more.
I wasn't talking about "in the kitchen" in a literal sense.

If CAIR just came out in support of abortion restriction I don't think anybody would object.
I didn't say support. I said "pushed" as in lobbying. Most of the laws such as the trans-bathroom thing and abortion are written by Christian PACs and handed to state reps they donate to. If it was written by an Islamic lobbying group and submitted by a Muslim, the Christian right's REEEEEE would deafen the internet.
 

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I wasn't talking about "in the kitchen" in a literal sense.
If there's no actual kitchen fate awaiting anyone, then it's alarmism.

I didn't say support. I said "pushed" as in lobbying. Most of the laws such as the trans-bathroom thing and abortion are written by Christian PACs and handed to state reps they donate to. If it was written by an Islamic lobbying group and submitted by a Muslim, the Christian right's REEEEEE would deafen the internet.
Once again I'm not so sure about that. The Christian right is well aware that they are losing ground and influence very quickly and it would make more sense for them to take any allies they can get, even if they are heathens.

Speaking of CAIR, they once successfully sued the state of Oklahoma for trying to ban Sharia law and got it overturned. Oklahoma is one of, if not the most solid red states in the country. Every single county was solid crimson in 2016. All those Islamophobic white males and they still couldn't enact the legislation they wanted in their home turf. Which side really has the most hit-points here?
 
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If there's no actual kitchen fate awaiting anyone, then it's alarmism.
I don't think attaching prison sentences for traveling to get an abortion is merely alarmism.

Speaking of CAIR, they once successfully sued the state of Oklahoma for trying to ban Sharia law and got it overturned. Oklahoma is one of, if not the most solid red states in the country. Every single county was solid crimson in 2016. All those Islamophobic white males and they still couldn't enact the legislation they wanted in their home turf. Which side really has the most hit-points here?
It was overturned because the law was written in a way that it would invalidate documents such as wills if they were based on Sharia principles. There's also a huge difference between having a bullshit overreaching law overturned and actually pushing legislation.

What I have been referring to is how people would react if CAIR got someone to introduce a bill that would effect the general population. How do you think people would react if a Muslim representative tried to introduce a bill that banned alcohol, pork, or a non-Muslim man marrying a Muslim woman?
 

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I think it would be great if CAIR began really pushing the Islamic moral code because of all the interesting reactions we'd get from a lot of people. It would be even better if somehow they managed to team up with Ayatollah Mike "Slingshot the poof from a very high roof" al-Pence. Remember my original post was focusing on the libs' apparently disparate opinions on Islamic vs. Xtian fundies. I never said I would necessarily have a problem with a little more right wing social policy in place even if Muslims wrote it. There's zero chance of pork being banned but if they tried to crack down on LGBTQ++++ hijinks I would just lol
 

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Sort of related, the funny thing about the topic of Sharia in the US is that there's actually a big chunk of incels on the fringe right that wants to copy it and put a white fascist spin on it. I was surprised as anybody to learn that a lot of these alt-right incels are actually not Islamophobic at all but even admire it for, in their words, keeping women in their place and doing nothing but make babies. They are YUGE fans of the Islamic countries whose military police have literal thot patrols and enforce the Islamic code in the public sphere, and they call their own model "White Sharia" I shit you not. Supposedly the fundie FLDS Mormon cult is an example of White Sharia in practice, complete with multiple wives. Really creepy but hilarious.
 

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If anybody bothered to do any amount of research, they will find that states that allow abortions beyond the first trimester generally only do so when medically necessary (mother will die trying to carry to term) and late term abortions are only allowed in when serious defects that will result in the child dying very early in life are discovered.

I've said several times before and will say it again, pro-lifers don't really care about the child's life; only the birth. If they really cared about the child's life, they would be trying to incentivize people to adopt and not be so quick to gut child welfare programs. Instead, they gut tax breaks for adoptions and constantly target programs like WIC.

And if we really want to drag religion into it, the Book of Numbers literally gives a recipe to force a miscarriage as a test for a faithful wife. So I'm not buying the "all life is sacred to God" bullshit.
It is! It very much is this. They are pro-birth, not pro-life.
 
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