MODERATED General Politics Thread II

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Everyone should be concerned. People vote based on shit like this and it's dumbing everyone down. It's shit like this that constantly reinforces the "everyone that doesn't mirror my beliefs is stupid and/or evil!" mentality and moves them further away from any actual facts that contradict their beliefs.

And I'm not even speaking strictly on satirical sites. This goes even more strongly for the actual fake/distorted news sites like Breitbart and Share Blue. They appeal directly to people's confirmation bias.
 

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My friends are very careful what they post because they know I am 'that guy' and will fact check them into a wall.
And if I post something wrong I will admit it and fall on my sword.
Back when I was still on Facebook I would fact-check everything and post about it!
 
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Back when I was still on Facebook I would fact-check everything and post about it!
I used to actively fact check posts on Facebook. The sheer volume of stupidity combined with people getting pissy over having their beliefs challenged wore me out. At this point, I stick to the stuff that's so obviously wrong it can't be debated. The satire story, I just commented "FYI, it's from a satirical website" and that's when they bothered to click the link.

One my favorite moments of stupidity was someone posting a picture claiming the Obamas were putting their left hands over their hearts for some flag ceremony. Never mind the fact that was there was a pair of Marines saluting in the background with their left hands too, the internet told me it's totally not a lazy mspaint flip.
 

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YOU ARE the coward hiding behind your keyboard. If you did see me IRL, you wouldn't dare say shit to my face. I may be GAY, but I'm certainly not some Feminine Ass Loser.
I'm just gonna quote the OP.


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It's shit like this that constantly reinforces the "everyone that doesn't mirror my beliefs is stupid and/or evil!" mentality and moves them further away from any actual facts that contradict their beliefs.
Thing is... I would like to think of myself as being fairly tolerant. I try to be very open to listening to other people's arguments, and I will agree to disagree at times. However, that is not the world we live in anymore. People literally bring politics into everything, even in the oddest of situations.

Example -- My husband went out to a charity golf event, and while being friendly gave this man a nice golf ball, and tee - since he didn't have one on him. They strike up a brief conversation (they are both Doctors) and out of nowhere, he asks who my husband voted for, and if he was a Trump supporter. All my husband responded was, is that he is very socially liberal, but didn't vote for Hillary (or Trump). This was enough to piss the other guy off, and he walked away.

Another Example - I was recently in a local gardening store buying a Plant, and was asking about the watering directions, and things I should know. Out of freaking nowhere, the women starts talking about how Trump is rolling back all the regulation and the city of New York will soon be overcome by Smog. And I'm just like, M'Kay. I just wanted to know how to keep this damn thing alive, not listen to your absurd conspiracy theory.

These are some of my most recent examples, but I've seen one after another in the past couple of years, and I just ask myself constantly "WHY?". Why the hell does it even fucking matter? People are insanely obsessed with Political Views even for basic or mundane encounters, and believe everyone around them is out to get them. This was not happening five or ten years ago, and is *mostly* a recent development. It's just saddening to think about. People's lives, families, and freindships torn apart by mostly meaningless things.
 
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Tell me about it. Remember one of my first posts shortly after the election? Went to see a friend of mine that came into town and the night started off by him barring the door asking me who I voted for.

A few weeks ago, I had a guest speaker for my Scout troop talking to my girls about the rights and duties of a US citizen. One of their rank requirements is to discuss that with their choice of a judge, civil servant, teacher, etc. and one of the other leaders interrupted with a political rant. It's not like the speaker was straying into bias territory. Hell, she was using a printout from Citizenship Rights and Responsibilities - https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learners/citizenship-rights-and-responsibilities for notes. The guy just felt the need to let everyone know how he felt about our current political affairs even though I specifically said we are going to stay away from that. The kids are 11-14 years old. At that age, they are just learning the basics.
 

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I was having a conversation with one of my coworkers the other day about how hard it has gotten to have a conversation about politics with some people.
She has family in the midwest who won't talk to her anymore when they found out who she voted for.
They refused to even listen to anything she has to say about the effects the current administration has had in her field of people with disabilities.

I grew up in a family that loved to argue, politics, religion, it didn't matter.
I learned early on the principles of how to avoid logical traps and whataboutisms.
I also learned from my atheist father that faith didn't prove anything.

What I'm seeing now is that a lot of people have supplanted their religion with their politics.
They don't have logic for believing in their leaders, they have faith.
If you challenge their leader your are stepping all over their feels and you will pay.

There is a reason people like 45 talk in dog whistles and leaves blank spots in his
If you are a follower, you know exactly what they mean and can fill in the blanks, like some kind of nationalistic Madlibs.
 

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I was having a conversation with one of my coworkers the other day about how hard it has gotten to have a conversation about politics with some people.
She has family in the midwest who won't talk to her anymore when they found out who she voted for.
They refused to even listen to anything she has to say about the effects the current administration has had in her field of people with disabilities.

I grew up in a family that loved to argue, politics, religion, it didn't matter.
I learned early on the principles of how to avoid logical traps and whataboutisms.
I also learned from my atheist father that faith didn't prove anything.

What I'm seeing now is that a lot of people have supplanted their religion with their politics.
They don't have logic for believing in their leaders, they have faith.
If you challenge their leader your are stepping all over their feels and you will pay.

There is a reason people like 45 talk in dog whistles and leaves blank spots in his
If you are a follower, you know exactly what they mean and can fill in the blanks, like some kind of nationalistic Madlibs.
My family was and is the same way, politics always generates spirited debate, especially between my bleeding-heart liberal cousin and my conservative atheist father. Luckily they both have a great sense of humor and rarely take anything personally.

I cannot take extremists on any side seriously. Life is not that black and white. I'm a centrist and a secular humanist, and political candidates have to earn my vote, as I do not pledge allegiance to any one party.
 
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as I do not pledge allegiance to any one party.
Same. I voted for Hilary because I thought she was the better candidate between her and Trump. If Kasich had won the GOP primary, I probably would have voted for him instead. I don't agree with some of his positions, but he felt like someone that was willing to compromise to do what was best for the country rather than spend the first two years undoing Obama just because Obama.
 

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I would like to propose a supplement to Godwin's Law that says anyone who compares their situation to being put in the Gas Chambers or being lynched. unless they are literally smelling Zyklon B or have a rope around their neck, will have any further statements totally ignored.
 

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I propose that anyone who invokes Godwin at all be made legally obligated to visit Hitler's moonbase at their own expense and actually ask der Fuhrer himself, "You fuck with this or nah?" so that in future discussions we'll know for sure
 

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The lynch thing was “wait for it”. I’ve met someone who survived the big three camps. Anger has to be put aside and a sense of perspective adopted. Otherwise there is displaced energy and emotion applied to a situation where it doesn’t apply. With all due respect.
 
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I've mentioned this a few times before, but I'm really getting a little concerned about the economy.

Today, I received a email from our District Production Manger. While we've been getting notices that our loan guidelines, were going to become stricter, and I've seen a few things get declined that I thought were acceptable -- what was interesting, is apparently, almost 21% of the Home Loans in our district that were made from 01/01/19 to 08/31/19, no longer qualify for approval under the same conditions.

That means, a little less than 1 in 4 of the loans we made here -- are no longer acceptable to investors, or for Chase to hold. That's absolutely terrifying. Most of the borrowers actually have very good, or excellent credit too - it's just that investors believe in a down turn, a huge portion will go bad or into default. The loans are no longer considered "prime" or safe for long term holding, even though the borrowers generally have good credit.

I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm feeling a little shell-shocked. I've been told the totals are far worse in Southern California & the Bay Area. But... even if we do not go into a recession somehow, it certainly looks like the housing market is in for a bit of a tiny bust, and perhaps, bigger, if unemployment begins to climb upwards.

If any of you -- have been debating doing a refinance, or are currently in a Adjustable Rate Loan, or even have a HELOC -- now may be the time to Refinance, before guidelines get tougher, or prices get weaker. And if you are shopping for a home, make sure you are pre-approved with at-least two different lenders, although, I would honestly consider waiting a year or two before buying.
 
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TBH, I almost hope Trump wins a second term so when the economy does get fucked, people can't scapegoat a Democrat president like they did with Obama in 2009.
 

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TBH, I almost hope Trump wins a second term so when the economy does get fucked, people can't scapegoat a Democrat president like they did with Obama in 2009.
Did that actually happen though? I swear, I still remember people saying “But look what Bush left him with!” In 2012/2013.

No one believed that the financial crisis & general economy was Obama’s fault. At least, not where I was.
 

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Did that actually happen though? I swear, I still remember people saying “But look what Bush left him with!” In 2012/2013.

No one believed that the financial crisis & general economy was Obama’s fault. At least, not where I was.
Yeah dude the Republicans absolutely pushed that message
 
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