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Other countries also have these common denominators and do not have these mass killings. In our country, they have access to guns and guns that can shoot many people in a short period of time.
Maybe it's because of our culture. Different countries, different cultures.

I don't know what the gun laws are in Russia, Brazil, Namibia, Madagascar, Switzerland, Turkey, etc. I'm not saying they don't have stricter gun laws. I don't know.
 
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Other cultures also have suicide bombers that strap dynamite to someone's chest as they walk into a crowded church or marketplace or whatever. Also very angry.
 
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Other countries also have these common denominators and do not have these mass killings. In our country, they have access to guns and guns that can shoot many people in a short period of time.
Your not going to believe this, but we're not even in the top ten when it comes to these things. You can Google the stats.

Even countries like the United Kingdom with strict gun laws are not immune to mass killings. Not only do they have issues with fire arms, they have a knife problem. The ones with knives are often carried out over large areas with pockets of victims. It's really scary how they are carried out.

The world outside our border is far more different and crueler than what is reported.
 

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Norway had a mass shooting a few years back that made international news. Dozens of people were killed by one man with a firearm. I remember it because it just boggled the minds here in the US that the guy was sentenced to 21 years in prison total for killing 60+ people. So we're not alone with the method chosen to carry out anger.

Also remember that a 16 year old kid in Pennsylvania stabbed 22 people in his school before being stopped.

It's the anger. Enact gun laws, that's why there's a black market. Wave your hands and make all guns go poof, they'll go on Amazon and either buy sulfur and saltpeter or buy fertilizer and then they'll add ball bearings to the list.

Address the cause. Don't completely ignore the cause and pretend that if you take away a single implement the anger will go away on its own and the person won't just look at different implements.
 
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The world outside our border is far more different and crueler than what is reported.
Yeah check out the stories out of Central America, especially the treatment of women.. You will understand far better why so many people from those countries are flocking to the USA, despite our large gun problem.
 
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Anyway not on topic anymore so...this discussion probably better suited for the politics/current events thread.
 

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Anyway not on topic anymore so...this discussion probably better suited for the politics/current events thread.
Now imagine how many more people would be dying if it was guns.
 

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It's the anger. Enact gun laws, that's why there's a black market. Wave your hands and make all guns go poof, they'll go on Amazon and either buy sulfur and saltpeter or buy fertilizer and then they'll add ball bearings to the list.
How about deciding WHO gets to carry a gun rather than trying to take away ALL guns?
As many have said, making guns illegal only make it easier for criminals to pick off those who can't defend themselves.
Making guns easier to get isn't the answer, either, because they fall into the hands of irresponsible or unbalanced people.
With every shooting, Texas has relaxed guns laws allowing them in public places like churches & universities.
Each legislative session has bills trying to roll back requirements for carrying a gun going from 'permitted concealed carry' to 'constitutional carry' (no permit or training required).
Gun rights activists have threatened legal action against many who attempt to create 'gun-free' zones.
Yet any attempt to pass 'red flag' laws is slapped down because their right to carry a gun is more important that people getting shot up in a store or a church or an elementary school.
And every single time there's a mass shooting I wonder: where was the 'good guy with a gun'?
In the case of the church shooting, he was nearby but 26 people still died. Some of them children. In a church.
 

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Norway had a mass shooting a few years back that made international news. Dozens of people were killed by one man with a firearm. I remember it because it just boggled the minds here in the US that the guy was sentenced to 21 years in prison total for killing 60+ people. So we're not alone with the method chosen to carry out anger.

Also remember that a 16 year old kid in Pennsylvania stabbed 22 people in his school before being stopped.

It's the anger. Enact gun laws, that's why there's a black market. Wave your hands and make all guns go poof, they'll go on Amazon and either buy sulfur and saltpeter or buy fertilizer and then they'll add ball bearings to the list.

Address the cause. Don't completely ignore the cause and pretend that if you take away a single implement the anger will go away on its own and the person won't just look at different implements.
No, we are not alone in a method, but we do have way too many of them while Norway has one? Why is there so much anger among young white adult males?
Yes, there are still isolated stabbings, but it is harder to kill a group of people with a knife compared to one gun that can take out 30 individuals in a matter of a minute.
 
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Your not going to believe this, but we're not even in the top ten when it comes to these things. You can Google the stats.

Even countries like the United Kingdom with strict gun laws are not immune to mass killings. Not only do they have issues with fire arms, they have a knife problem. The ones with knives are often carried out over large areas with pockets of victims. It's really scary how they are carried out.

The world outside our border is far more different and crueler than what is reported.
When was the last mass killing in the UK? As far as the knife issue, are these stabbings occurring with teenagers that are gang related?
 
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How about deciding WHO gets to carry a gun rather than trying to take away ALL guns?
As many have said, making guns illegal only make it easier for criminals to pick off those who can't defend themselves.
Making guns easier to get isn't the answer, either, because they fall into the hands of irresponsible or unbalanced people.
With every shooting, Texas has relaxed guns laws allowing them in public places like churches & universities.
Each legislative session has bills trying to roll back requirements for carrying a gun going from 'permitted concealed carry' to 'constitutional carry' (no permit or training required).
Gun rights activists have threatened legal action against many who attempt to create 'gun-free' zones.
Yet any attempt to pass 'red flag' laws is slapped down because their right to carry a gun is more important that people getting shot up in a store or a church or an elementary school.
And every single time there's a mass shooting I wonder: where was the 'good guy with a gun'?
In the case of the church shooting, he was nearby but 26 people still died. Some of them children. In a church.
The cops in Ohio were there within a minutes and he still managed to kill 9 and wound over 20. I would really like to see the high capacity guns to go away. Nothing changed after one kid killed room of first grades in a matter of minutes. I still don't see anything changing.
 

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SHOOTER: I was inspired by trump.

MEDIA: what could have caused this?

SHOOTER: look at this cool photo of the word “trump” spelled out in firearms

MEDIA: he probably played too much fortnite

SHOOTER: it’s like trump said, Hispanics are invading us

MEDIA: we may never know

https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1158037896965705728
 

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Norway had a mass shooting a few years back that made international news. Dozens of people were killed by one man with a firearm. I remember it because it just boggled the minds here in the US that the guy was sentenced to 21 years in prison total for killing 60+ people. So we're not alone with the method chosen to carry out anger.

Also remember that a 16 year old kid in Pennsylvania stabbed 22 people in his school before being stopped.

It's the anger. Enact gun laws, that's why there's a black market. Wave your hands and make all guns go poof, they'll go on Amazon and either buy sulfur and saltpeter or buy fertilizer and then they'll add ball bearings to the list.

Address the cause. Don't completely ignore the cause and pretend that if you take away a single implement the anger will go away on its own and the person won't just look at different implements.
can we do both, enact gun laws but also get to the root of what is making these people shoot up a fucking walmart?
 

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No. The cycle is

"let's fund mental health."

"No that's socialism"
Don't forget that parents can choose to not treat their children's mental illness, even if they have health insurance. Broken leg, CPS will get involved for the child's wellbeing. Broken brain, parental rights trump kid's pain.
 
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Don't forget that parents can choose to not treat their children's mental illness, even if they have health insurance. Broken leg, CPS will get involved for the child's wellbeing. Broken brain, parental rights trump kid's pain.
Not to mention "my snowflake would never do something wrong. They are a perfect angel" while the kid is a hellion.

A lack of discipline is often to blame. Entitlement.
 

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Not to mention "my snowflake would never do something wrong. They are a perfect angel" while the kid is a hellion.

A lack of discipline is often to blame. Entitlement.
parents need to be held at the same level as their offspring. as long as their offspring is under their roof.
 
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parents need to be held at the same level as their offspring. as long as their offspring is under their roof.
At the same time though, sometimes the kid just comes out wrong or they go wrong despite your best efforts. The Klebolds seemed like a perfectly nice family and look what came out of them.
 

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Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Walgreens plans to close 200 U.S. stores, according to new SEC filing

And the very beginnings of the recession are starting to creep in....200 Walgreen's, 46 CVS, all of the Charming Charlie's, even Nissan and Schneider National (trucking company) are getting in on it
 
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