Archived Clock-in & clock-out

[pellinore]

Recently our front end managers have had to do "write ups" for attendance issues.
Obviously call-offs and no shows are very important. It is the "you were late" times when you've clocked-in.

Our STL has been making sure that everyone is at their appointed place at the exact starting time for your shift. For me, one of my attendance "dings" was that I was late. My scheduled work shift was to start at 8:00 am as a cashier. I had clocked in at 8:02 and this was listed on my write up as an attendance problem.

OK, I get it that I was supposed to be at my register at 8:00. I understand that cashiers need to be at their register at their scheduled time, but is clocking in at 8:02 really considered late?

I always thought that by the time clock you have a 5 minute "grace period" of 5 minutes before your scheduled shift and 5 minutes after the scheduled time. If the time clock allows that 5 minute "grace period" then how come the STL & ETL are able to have rules more strict than the time clock?

I had to sign my paper to show that I had been coached on this issue...but I'm not sure that an 8:02 clock in time is really being "late?"

Anyone know:

1) The clock in rules.
2) Is there really a grace period?
3) Where are the clock rules posted....so that if the 8:02 isn't late, I want to be able to have some information to back-up my attendance issue.

Thank you!

 

[Yetive]

I imagine things are ASANTS. If someone is consistently a couple minutes late, this can be a coaching. Tardy rather than late. After the 5 minutes is late. I'm not sure what your attendance looks like otherwise, so maybe when they printed your attendance, it was on there so they included it in the coaching. The attendance policy is vague on purpose to allow gray area.
Also, you don't typically sign a coaching. You may want to make sure it was not a CA.

 

[Bosch]

Half of all our openers would be fired for two minutes. Have to wait that to get the door opened.

 

[KimJungUn]

Recently our front end managers have had to do "write ups" for attendance issues.
Obviously call-offs and no shows are very important. It is the "you were late" times when you've clocked-in.

Our STL has been making sure that everyone is at their appointed place at the exact starting time for your shift. For me, one of my attendance "dings" was that I was late. My scheduled work shift was to start at 8:00 am as a cashier. I had clocked in at 8:02 and this was listed on my write up as an attendance problem.

OK, I get it that I was supposed to be at my register at 8:00. I understand that cashiers need to be at their register at their scheduled time, but is clocking in at 8:02 really considered late?

I always thought that by the time clock you have a 5 minute "grace period" of 5 minutes before your scheduled shift and 5 minutes after the scheduled time. If the time clock allows that 5 minute "grace period" then how come the STL & ETL are able to have rules more strict than the time clock?

I had to sign my paper to show that I had been coached on this issue...but I'm not sure that an 8:02 clock in time is really being "late?"

Anyone know:

1) The clock in rules.
2) Is there really a grace period?
3) Where are the clock rules posted....so that if the 8:02 isn't late, I want to be able to have some information to back-up my attendance issue.

Thank you!

You're getting screwed. There is a 5 minute grace window on either side of the hour.

For example, if your start time is 8am, you can clock in anytime between 7:55am and 8:05am and NOT be considered late.

Might check the policies on eHR, should be there.

 

[mrknownothing]

In some workcenters, there's an unwritten rule that you punch in early so you can be at your station at your scheduled start time.

 

[Bosch]

New STL? Guessing they are flexing muscle so you respect their authority.

And punching in early would get them written up as well, if they are doing CCA for the two minutes..

And the STL who went off on petty crap like this, was escorted out in under a year.

 

[KimJungUn]

New STL? Guessing they are flexing muscle so you respect their authority.

And punching in early would get them written up as well, if they are doing CCA for the two minutes..

And the STL who went off on petty crap like this, was escorted out in under a year.

Punching in early doesn't result in a write up, I do it all the time. If its within the 5 minutes its allowed.

 

[Bosch]

Punching in early doesn't result in a write up, I do it all the time. If its within the 5 minutes its allowed.

The OP who was written up for two minutes late within the grace, If they write for late they would write for the early.. My store it is not allowed. They begrudgingly let us punch a minute early.

 

[KimJungUn]

The OP who was written up for two minutes late within the grace, If they write for late they would write for the early.. My store it is not allowed. They begrudgingly let us punch a minute early.

Wow that sucks. My store gives us 5 minutes either side of clocking in.

 

[Bosch]

Wow that sucks. My store gives us 5 minutes either side of clocking in.

It is the least of annoying things about my store.

 

[Joejoe12]

My store does the same thing to cashiers and sales floor team members. Anyone else is fine if it with in the 5 mins grace period.

 

[Havok]

Damn. I've had times where I had to clock out 10 to 15 minutes after my scheduled time because of location checks or MyFAs. Wonder why they haven't said anything to me. Probably because of how short handed backroom has been for the last 4 months.

 

[Doglover89]

What ever happened to being an adult and showing up on time for your shift? Any other job, being late is unacceptable. I get that sometimes there are circumstances beyond your control like traffic, car trouble, accidentally oversleeping or getting your start time confused, but come on.

 

[Retail Girl]

For all of you arguing about the 5 minute grace period, you've clearly never been on the other side of the situation when you've not been able to leave until the other person gets there and they are 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 minutes late punching in (plus then fussing around with the lockers and in the TSC before wandering over to relieve you). Think GSA, electronics, cashier at times (when we only have 2 cashiers), guest service, Starbucks, food ave, etc....

When you are out at 4pm and have plans, are you fine waiting that 5 extra minutes for that grace period for the person after you? What if it happens every time that person follows you? Are you still then okay with it?

Yes, late happens on occasion. But when happens more often than not, it's time to figure out what you need to do to make it to work on time.

When this happened to me on a constant basis, I started just leaving on time. I would tell the LOD over the walkie I was leaving, and that was the end of it. I started doing that when I realized I wasn't appreciated anyway, so why should I offer that extra time I wasn't really scheduled for? Interestingly enough, once I made it someone else's problem, only then did the TL or LOD start caring that the other person was always late.

 

[Bosch]

For all of you arguing about the 5 minute grace period, you've clearly never been on the other side of the situation when you've not been able to leave until the other person gets there and they are 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 minutes late punching in (plus then fussing around with the lockers and in the TSC before wandering over to relieve you). Think GSA, electronics, cashier at times (when we only have 2 cashiers), guest service, Starbucks, food ave, etc....

When you are out at 4pm and have plans, are you fine waiting that 5 extra minutes for that grace period for the person after you? What if it happens every time that person follows you? Are you still then okay with it?

Yes, late happens on occasion. But when happens more often than not, it's time to figure out what you need to do to make it to work on time.

When this happened to me on a constant basis, I started just leaving on time. I would tell the LOD over the walkie I was leaving, and that was the end of it. I started doing that when I realized I wasn't appreciated anyway, so why should I offer that extra time I wasn't really scheduled for? Interestingly enough, once I made it someone else's problem, only then did the TL or LOD start caring that the other person was always late.

Why instead of punching in every time they take 5-10min to open the front door we just punch correct it. Then HR sees we aren't late they can't open a door anywhere close to on time.. When those corrections started coming in door started getting opened more on time.. Cause depending on who was LOD overnight you could wait up to 20min to get in the building.

 

[Doglover89]

For all of you arguing about the 5 minute grace period, you've clearly never been on the other side of the situation when you've not been able to leave until the other person gets there and they are 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 minutes late punching in (plus then fussing around with the lockers and in the TSC before wandering over to relieve you). Think GSA, electronics, cashier at times (when we only have 2 cashiers), guest service, Starbucks, food ave, etc....

My thoughts exactly. I work closing operator at least a few times a week and always try to arrive on time so that the morning person can go home. I like to have a minute or two to talk to her and my TL if she is there about how the day's been going, the re-shop situation, any thing special I need to take care of. It's also just common courtesy. That also goes for taking your breaks when you are scheduled so your coworkers can go on theirs on time as well.

 

[Retail Girl]

Why instead of punching in every time they take 5-10min to open the front door we just punch correct it. Then HR sees we aren't late they can't open a door anywhere close to on time.. When those corrections started coming in door started getting opened more on time.. Cause depending on who was LOD overnight you could wait up to 20min to get in the building.

I would have punch corrected that every single time.

 

[signingminion]

I would have punch corrected that every single time.

Me too. I've gotten more than one etl talked to by the hrbp.