Archived So I have had Target guests hound me like a dog all week

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Here is the answer broken into simple sections so you can follow. He can tell the elec tm that when the box goes off and is cleared that it's him and the tm needs to come to the boat. See how simple that is?
Target mobile does that at our store. The guest doesn't need him to hit the button in the first place. Am I a joy to work with? Nope, in fact you would HATE it because I wouldn't tolerate your laziness or ignorance.
Ok...so let's say there ISN'T an electronics team member on the floor, which was most likely the case in this. How would he tell him? What if the electronics TM was doing tasks elsewhere? I know Target mobile does different things, and that is because they have different rules. They are expected to help because in most times they use that opportunity to bring up the topic of cell phones with the guest, thus increasing their sales.

And in what hell of a way would you not tolerate laziness or ignorance? You're obviously not a TL because no one in hell would promote someone with such a piss poor attitude as you. Most likely, you're an underperforming TM that hates his life because he's got a ****ty attitude and thinks he's the best thing ever, but won't get the promotion he "deserves" because he is in fact on the under-performing TM's who the leadership is trying to get out of the building. So therefore you come here and act all high and mighty because no one here actually knows you and you can therefore feel that important feeling you so love.
 
And as SoT already stated, why should the call button be cleared just to help the score? The button is there because the guest cannot find anyone to help them. So they go to the button and a team member responds in less than 60 seconds to assist them. If they don't, that sends the message that there is a need that needs to be addressed as far as staffing and sales floor coverage. Why do you think we're in this position of so few people working on the floor? Because so many people are more concerned with keeping their scores perfect and finding ways to manipulate that than saying "Hey, my scores aren't green because something isn't working. Let's do something to fix that."
 
Our mobile guy and some of the vendors hit the button on the cash register that calls for "additional cashiers to electronics". Is this scored in any way?
 
Everyone is talking about how great Target was back in the day. Sorry for going off topic, but can someone explain what was so different/better? Thanks, I am just curious.

It was a totally different world.

From a social perspective, it was very laid back. Pay and benefits were much better, and it was not uncommon for TMs to get 40 hour weeks consistently if they wanted them. Because of that, most TMs/specs/TLs were in their 20s or 30s. (no offense to teenage TMs) Because of that, there was a more "mature" atmosphere in the store. Basically, the store had much less high school style drama that a lot of stores see today. People would usually be friends outside of work, and it wasn't uncommon for everyone to have dated lots of people in the store at some point in time because everyone had worked together for years. It was more a closer community in the store. Hell, back then we used to call it a "family", and it was almost kind of true.... we saw the same people for years, often more hours than we saw our own family because most people were working 30+ hour weeks.

There was lots more social time. TMs/specs/TLs/ETLs would frequently stop and just stand around talking to each other for 30 minutes at a time. Because we had so much payroll, everything still got done and the store was green even though people socialized a lot.

Lots of the processes were different. Back then, we didn't have PDA's. We had what were called LRTs.... which looked like PDAs, but they were black and white and slow as hell. What do I mean by slow? Pretend you were scanning an item under NOP. It would take about 30 seconds to get a response from the LRT with the NOP info. It wasn't instant like it was with the PDAs. All of the registers were old black and white crap..... they moved almost as slow.

The store had a totally different style. Lots of the department signs were actually neon light signs.

We had specialists, which were above TMs but under TLs. They were usually damn good. They ran departments and knew what they were doing, and they actually had official authority over TMs. It was the rule that if a TL wasn't in the department, the specialist was in charge. This was good because every TM usually had someone there to provide leadership direction, so TMs were much more capable of doing more advanced tasks because they more "in" on the overall game plan of the department. Specialists actually spent a lot of time talking to TMs about where the department stood, what the goals were over the coming weeks, etc. We actually called specialists "level 2's" and TLs "level 3's". Promoting to a specialist back then was a big deal.... it would usually mean you were making over $10 easy sometimes $13 or $14. (remember, minimum wage back then was about $5 hour).

ETL's were *never* fresh out of college people. Almost always, ETLs were experienced managers hired from other retailers. Almost all of them were 40 years old or older. In fact, we never had an ETL under age 40 until the early 2000's at my store. I don't ever remember any of them having the "I am gods gift to this store" attitude that the younger ETLs have these days.

There wasn't really a "headcount" as far as TLs and specialists went as well. Let's say you were a damn good TM, but your store already had a specialist in every department that usually needed one. Well guess what? Your STL could still promote you to specialist. So basically if you were a hard working dedicated TM, you were pretty much guaranteed to promote at some point.

There is probably lots more I am forgetting.
 
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In some ways, that sounds like an excessive waste of payroll. But it also seems as if Target has gone way too much to the opposite extreme.
 
Our mobile guy and some of the vendors hit the button on the cash register that calls for "additional cashiers to electronics". Is this scored in any way?

It's probably scored by the number of times that it's hit. I don't know that for sure, and I could be wrong. But everything else electronic in the store is scored, so I don't know why that wouldn't be.
 
In some ways, that sounds like an excessive waste of payroll. But it also seems as if Target has gone way too much to the opposite extreme.

Well, it was probably a much bigger use of payroll.... but Target got a lot out of it. Dedicated TMs, green store all around, guests loved the experience more because TMs were upbeat and happy when dealing with them, TMs actually knew their products and departments.

Yea, Target stock wasn't super high and they weren't bank rolling billions.... but the stores were profitable and the company was solid. When you told people you worked at Target, people would actually say "oh that's a good place to work I hear". Now it is more of an embarassing thing to say because people know you are probably in poverty.

We actually used to stay *every night* as long as it took to get the store green. That's another thing I forgot to mention. Closing team would usually stay *at a minimum* until 1AM. Every night, the zone was 100% perfect and 100% of stray *had* to be worked out. The stores looked hella nice back then.

And when I say TMs were dedicated? Let's just say that when AP had to walk a TM out for stealing..... you usually only saw that maybe *once* in a one or two year time span. (and when it happened, it was a huge deal to everyone) It wasn't every month like it was now. Hell, no one wanted to steal. They were making solid hours at a good rate of pay with good benefits, and no one wanted to mess that up. You know, we actually used to have pensions back then. Not even making that up - PENSIONS. Like auto workers or government employees. Target was basically a job you could retire from, and we freaking had retirement plans! (real pension retirement plans.... not 401k BS)
 
In some ways, that sounds like an excessive waste of payroll. But it also seems as if Target has gone way too much to the opposite extreme.

It may sound like a waste, but Spot was much more willing to spend back then, as long as they made a profit. Not that they can't afford to spend now - they'd rather build executive playgrounds and expand into Canada than give two flying ****s about their team.
 
But how would he tell the electronics TM if the TM isn't there to tell? If the TM was there, he wouldn't have to hit the button in the first place. And if the request is cleared, then the TM has no reason to continue to the call box.

If there is any communication between the vendors and team, as there should be, then it's a simple process. I'll dumb it down even further for you.
Guest needs help. Vendor says hold on and hits the button. Vendor clears the button. Elec TM comes over and helps the guest.
Got that? Good, now here's where it gets complicated so pay attention. The vendor and electronics team (including the TL) have talked before and probably on a consistent basis. They have come up with this idea that when the vendor needs help, be it with a guest or something at the boat, etc., they can hit the button and then clear it and the elec TM will come over. They communicated!
This part is a little tougher, I hope you get it. Here's why it works. The elec TM knows that when the call box goes off he is needed at the boat, even if it's been cleared. How does he know? Because he isn't at the boat! He has the keys, he has the knowledge, he has a walkie, it's his area. If someone else cleared the box they would announce they have it, if someone couldn't help they would ask elec TM if he needed help, etc. A little walkie communication and common sense can work wonders. There are only so many people on the floor so it's not hard to figure out who is getting what button or responding to a phone call, etc.

tldr - vendor and tm have it worked out prior, a scratch my back and i'll scratch yours type thing

BLAH BLAH BLAH

As to my position you are wrong. I did logistics a while back and now I am over the sales floor. As far as YOU trying to tell ME about anything at Target is concerned well you better get a lot more knowledge and experience because I can tell you without a doubt I run a better logistics process, a better salesfloor process, a better training and development process, a better leadership process, a better transition process etc. etc. etc. Go change out the demo disc or hand out some stickers or something.

Ok...so let's say there ISN'T an electronics team member on the floor, which was most likely the case in this. How would he tell him? What if the electronics TM was doing tasks elsewhere? I know Target mobile does different things, and that is because they have different rules. They are expected to help because in most times they use that opportunity to bring up the topic of cell phones with the guest, thus increasing their sales.

And in what hell of a way would you not tolerate laziness or ignorance? You're obviously not a TL because no one in hell would promote someone with such a piss poor attitude as you. Most likely, you're an underperforming TM that hates his life because he's got a ****ty attitude and thinks he's the best thing ever, but won't get the promotion he "deserves" because he is in fact on the under-performing TM's who the leadership is trying to get out of the building. So therefore you come here and act all high and mighty because no one here actually knows you and you can therefore feel that important feeling you so love.

There is always an elec TM on the floor so your 1st point is moot. He may be tasking somewhere else (more than likely that's the case due to such **** coverage on the floor) but SEE ABOVE. So your 2nd point is moot. What do you even do at Target?

Piss poor attitude because I don't tolerate whining, idiocy and laziness? There are others from my store, who know who I am, on this forum but that doesn't matter. To address some of your other claims - I do have a ****ty attitude, I do think I am the best thing ever, I do act high and mighty but not just on the forums. None of that makes me wrong.
 
"stupid rules" if you are such a great TM, then why did you post before that you got a horrible review this year? Apparently you are not as great as you think....
 
I did not state I had a horrible review. My comment about my review was "I got my review the other day and just wanted to say this to my anyone who took part in deciding the score - **** YOU AND DIE!". I didn't get the score I felt I deserved, I didn't get the score my ETL felt I deserved, I didn't get the score several of the previous ETL's felt I deserved. See, reviews are not just based on your performance, there are several other factors that are in play, with one of the most important being money and politics. It's a long and complicated story but to sum it up, none of the leadership staff that I had worked with the entire year was still at the store when review scores were decided. Judging you by your posts I would say your standards are much lower than mine, while an IE might be good for you and EX might be horrible for me.
 
Don't even start that one.
We all got mediocre to poor reviews so Spot could screw us out of giving a living wage.

Eh.... Not totally true considering the raises even for "excellent" reviews are only a few cents more than E and IE ratings.
 
Spoken like someone who has only ever received scores of IE and E. Politics, money, AE score, performance, previous score, position, competition with peers, etc. all take part in the score.
I bet you sucked complete ass as a TL in your store, I would have took your department from you and given it to a TM.
 
I appreciate the thorough response, StateOfTarget.

I can't really complain as much as other people on here because I'm a 17 year old high school student. I'm getting 20-27 Hours per week (MAX is 30 for minors) and have enough money to cover my gas and insurance and then a ton more to save and spend.

I'm just happy to have a job after a year of literally applying everywhere and following up every week. My managers are all nice and all the TM's are great (except the softline girls).

I totally see how different it was back then, but I think a lot of that is because the economy went down the drain.

Again, thanks for the response.
 
There is always an elec TM on the floor so your 1st point is moot. He may be tasking somewhere else (more than likely that's the case due to such **** coverage on the floor) but SEE ABOVE. So your 2nd point is moot. What do you even do at Target?
My electronics team that comes in at 10am would like to have a word with you....
 
I didn't get the score I felt I deserved

Read: I didn't get an O

I didn't get the score my ETL felt I deserved, I didn't get the score several of the previous ETL's felt I deserved.
Read: IE. IE. U. U. IE. U.
Judging you by your posts I would say your standards are much lower than mine, while an IE might be good for you and EX might be horrible for me.

Judging you by your posts, I would say no one likes you and the ETL's and TL's that "love" you so much probably laugh their asses off about you behind your back. "Hahahaa stupid rules. Haha he thinks he's so important. He's such an arrogant ass. How can we get him to leave?"
 
Here is the answer broken into simple sections so you can follow. He can tell the elec tm that when the box goes off and is cleared that it's him and the tm needs to come to the boat. See how simple that is?
Target mobile does that at our store. The guest doesn't need him to hit the button in the first place. Am I a joy to work with? Nope, in fact you would HATE it because I wouldn't tolerate your laziness or ignorance.

I think he would like it when they tell you that it is not his job to do yours and then begin to question why you need a vendor to your job for you.
 
What did you say you do at Target? If your electronics team is coming in at 10 then someone in your store is doing something wrong. I never said they love me and do not care if they do or not, I'm not there to be liked or make friends. You come off as an immature little drama queen. What did you say you did again? Judging by your comments about talking behind someones back, etc. I bet it's softlines. I'd also bet you're one of those kids that think you belong to the 'in-crowd' and you all just gossip all day.
 
I think he would like it when they tell you that it is not his job to do yours and then begin to question why you need a vendor to your job for you.

I don't even understand wtf you just typed. He wouldn't be doing my job, in my store, if a call box goes red all I had to do is coach any or all TM or put them on CA and I would look great to the STL. He thrives on that crap, he expects it. I would think with me trying to defend the TM that is getting pulled everywhere else by not wanting some piece of **** vendor constantly hitting the button and not clearing it would show something different. I honestly can not believe some of you idiots are trying to ****ing defend a god damn vendor hitting the call box and letting it go red.
 
What did you say you do at Target? If your electronics team is coming in at 10 then someone in your store is doing something wrong. I never said they love me and do not care if they do or not, I'm not there to be liked or make friends. You come off as an immature little drama queen. What did you say you did again? Judging by your comments about talking behind someones back, etc. I bet it's softlines. I'd also bet you're one of those kids that think you belong to the 'in-crowd' and you all just gossip all day.
I'm a hardlines SrTL. Our electronics team comes in at 10am because we are not given enough payroll to have someone back there for the full day. Plano/pricing/instocks/TL's cover the area until 10. Usually involves lots of callboxes since those areas need to get their work done as well. To have a vendor come in and press and clear a callbox is going to cause problems. Not only are there not many people in the building, but there aren't many walkies. You think it's appropriate to just place people on CA for not being able to clear a callbox? Sometimes **** happens, and if I have a team member who is helping another guest, I will not expect them to tell that guest "Oh hold on a sec I gotta go help someone else for a bit or else I'm gonna get fired" You seem to think that you can lead your team by fear. You say you don't care if anyone likes you and you're not there to make friends. That's great and all. But guess what? You know what gets things done and gets green scores and help team morale? When your team enjoys working for you and wants to come to work. The way you say you lead, leads to turnover and horrible morale and failure. Are you supposed to be your team's best friend? No, but you shouldn't be someone who when they come to work they think "Oh ****. You're on. Well, I knew I should've called out."

And also, you may think it's petty, and I do as well, but like it or not ETL's DO laugh about TM's and talk about them behind their backs. I don't think it's right. But it happens. In your case, it probably happens quite a bit.



Oh, and STL's, as much as they may not seem it sometimes, are not stupid. They can tell when someone is just sucking up to them and doing the bare minimum to get by. They humor them, because that's what their job is. To inspire their TM's. Are they going to outright say "Haha yeah yeah that's awesome. You're never going to go further than where you are currently." No. Are they thinking it? You betcha. STL's want to promote people who will help the store be profitable and lead to them getting higher paychecks while having to do less of the work. Not those who bull**** and say what they think they wanna hear. And if they do, those are STL's that won't be in position for very long at all.
 
I don't even understand wtf you just typed. He wouldn't be doing my job, in my store, if a call box goes red all I had to do is coach any or all TM or put them on CA and I would look great to the STL. He thrives on that crap, he expects it. I would think with me trying to defend the TM that is getting pulled everywhere else by not wanting some piece of **** vendor constantly hitting the button and not clearing it would show something different. I honestly can not believe some of you idiots are trying to ****ing defend a god damn vendor hitting the call box and letting it go red.

Its your job to make sure the guest is helped and not coming up so empty they are going to vendors. Is your job to make sure someone is in electronics to help that guest so a vendor can say that person right their can help you. Failing to do all that it is your job to make sure someone gets the call box before it goes red. Guess who job it is to none of those things? A vendor. You don't get the coke guy jumping on for fast service, you don't have frito lay checking your produce, you don't have pepsi asking CIHYFS, you don't have the magazine vendors helping people find the right size shoes and you do not have the Sony vendor covering electronics. Your job, not theirs. Love it, hate it but, that is the way it is.
 
I can't believe the idiocy you guys are spouting. If wanting my team to avoid trouble is trolling or expecting a halfway decent partnership with vendors is wrong then I'm guilty.

To address the other statements - I do not lead by fear as you claim, my STL does. I never implied he was an idiot, an ass, a monster, a POS person - yes.

Of course ETLs laugh and talk about TMs. No one said they didn't. Just as TMs do it to them, I don't care if people do it to me. I don't hang out with any of these people outside of work. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

tldr - stop twisting what's said into bs
 
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