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why would anyone want to be a team lead.
I don’t know why anyone would want to be a team lead at this point. Team leads are quitting right and left, and a lot of those who aren’t leaving on their own are being forced out. The team lead position under Modernization is like being a whipping boy in a pressure cooker. Every. Day. Pay is not commensurate with the stress of being expected to do the impossible with no road map, just the demand of “get it done” from leaders who have no clue as to how to accomplish anything and nothing but criticism for those who are trying to deal with it. Team lead pay is not and never will be high enough to compensate for what TLs have to do and take every day.🙄
 
I don’t know why anyone would want to be a team lead at this point. Team leads are quitting right and left, and a lot of those who aren’t leaving on their own are being forced out. The team lead position under Modernization is like being a whipping boy in a pressure cooker. Every. Day. Pay is not commensurate with the stress of being expected to do the impossible with no road map, just the demand of “get it done” from leaders who have no clue as to how to accomplish anything and nothing but criticism for those who are trying to deal with it. Team lead pay is not and never will be high enough to compensate for what TLs have to do and take every day.🙄
The reason I stepped down years ago. I saw where TL was going and decided NOPE!
 
Addressing your last idea about team lead pay: I think this is exactly why they have started expanding the use of "captains." Such crap. "Oh, you're an SFS captain." Really? Thanks. Extra pay for it? No. Gosh Target, extra responsibilities with no extra pay. Wow! What a great idea. Next thing you know we'll be asked to volunteer our time for our poor struggling company.
Same can be said for the GSA position.
 
Another bump and more hours cut to cover it.
I’d rather the good TMs get $15 an hour and the ones who don’t work to get the hour cuts. There were going to be hour cuts either way.

Also the irony here. Most of you guys are anti union, yet bitch and moan about pay and hours. Then when your promised $15 an hour, which is more than any other retailer, you still bitch and moan. Cornell isn’t that bad. Store traffic has been declining since the internet, yet he’s renovating stores and increasing pay.
When I started 3 years ago, I was at $10 an hour. When I left last year, I was only at $13 as a TPS. Most everyone will be at $15 by the end of 2019.

Hours and pay will always suck at any retail job until a union or the gvt steps in. Just the way it is, but in all the retail places, Target is one of the best.
 
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All of the fools who supported Bernie Sanders and his plan for $15 minimum wage were never smart enough to see the consequences.

If a company increases wages, there are 3 ways that company can handle that.

#1 - Accept the wage increases and resulting lower profit. Target can not do that because they are a publicly traded company that has shareholders who will not accept declining profits and declining stock prices.

#2 - Increase revenues to offset the wage increases. There are 2 ways to increase revenues - raise prices or sell more products. First, Target can not increase prices because they will lose sales to Amazon, Walmart, and other retailers. With their smartphones, a customer can see who has the lowest prices and order the products with free shipping. Second, Target can not sell more products just by paying retail employees more because customers will buy what they need regardless of what the cashier, stockperson, etc. is being paid. Nobody is buying more toilet paper or food or towels or clothes just because the cashier is making $15 instead of $10. Customers won't boycott the self-checkouts to go to a cashier in order to force Target to hire more cashiers.

#3 - Decrease costs to offset the wage increases. There are many different costs a company can attempt to decrease like overhead, rent, shipping, cost of goods, etc. The easiest is to cut payroll hours. Instead of having 15 employees making $10 per hour, Target has 10 employees making $15 per hour.

Another negative consequence of the wage increase to $15 per hour is wage increases to store management. I don't know what the leads make but as the team members make more money, the difference between a lead's pay and a team member's pay goes down. Target risks losing leads if the difference in pay is not worth the aggravation of being a lead. For example, if a team lead is making $16 per hour and the team members is making $10 per hour, that is a significant difference. If the team lead is making $16 per hour and the team member is making $15 per hour, why would anyone want to be a team lead.

Basic economics escapes many people.
 
All of the fools who supported Bernie Sanders and his plan for $15 minimum wage were never smart enough to see the consequences.

If a company increases wages, there are 3 ways that company can handle that.

#1 - Accept the wage increases and resulting lower profit. Target can not do that because they are a publicly traded company that has shareholders who will not accept declining profits and declining stock prices.

#2 - Increase revenues to offset the wage increases. There are 2 ways to increase revenues - raise prices or sell more products. First, Target can not increase prices because they will lose sales to Amazon, Walmart, and other retailers. With their smartphones, a customer can see who has the lowest prices and order the products with free shipping. Second, Target can not sell more products just by paying retail employees more because customers will buy what they need regardless of what the cashier, stockperson, etc. is being paid. Nobody is buying more toilet paper or food or towels or clothes just because the cashier is making $15 instead of $10. Customers won't boycott the self-checkouts to go to a cashier in order to force Target to hire more cashiers.

#3 - Decrease costs to offset the wage increases. There are many different costs a company can attempt to decrease like overhead, rent, shipping, cost of goods, etc. The easiest is to cut payroll hours. Instead of having 15 employees making $10 per hour, Target has 10 employees making $15 per hour.

Another negative consequence of the wage increase to $15 per hour is wage increases to store management. I don't know what the leads make but as the team members make more money, the difference between a lead's pay and a team member's pay goes down. Target risks losing leads if the difference in pay is not worth the aggravation of being a lead. For example, if a team lead is making $16 per hour and the team members is making $10 per hour, that is a significant difference. If the team lead is making $16 per hour and the team member is making $15 per hour, why would anyone want to be a team lead.
As I’m sure you voted for Trump to “fix” the economy. Let me know when he’s done. So far he’s off to an amazing start! Dow plunges 650 points in worst Christmas Eve trading session ever - https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/dow-plunges-650-points-in-worst-christmas-eve-trading-session-ever
We all know increasing pay never works. Hey, If we all made $2 an hour everything would be even better off! :rolleyes: Look how great people are living in China and Mexico!

We all know $15 an hour is so impossible when Brain Cornell is making his $28,000,000 a year...or if you’d prefer, $13,461 an hour :)
 
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As I’m sure you voted for Trump to “fix” the economy. Let me know when he’s done. So far he’s off to an amazing start! Dow plunges 650 points in worst Christmas Eve trading session ever - https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/dow-plunges-650-points-in-worst-christmas-eve-trading-session-ever
We all know increasing pay never works. Hey, If we all made $2 an hour everything would be even better off! :rolleyes: Look how great people are living in China and Mexico!

We all know $15 an hour is so impossible when Brain Cornell is making his $28,000,000 a year...or if you’d prefer, $13,461 an hour :)

First, I voted for Hillary in the primaries and Hillary in the general election. Hillary had a platform with detail policies and a husband who was President that grew the economy, balanced the budget with a surplus, grew jobs, and grew wages. Bernie had bumper stickers without any plans on how to achieve anything.

Second, I have never supported Trump. Trump is a moron who is ruining the economy with tax cuts for the rich that do not trickle down, tariffs that hurt companies and raise prices, reducing regulations that protect workers, causing a government shutdown over his lie that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and many other stupid policies.

Third, you clearly can not do math if you think Brian Cornell's $28,000,000 pay per year is preventing people from making $15 per hour.

Here is some math.

According to Wikipedia, Target employs about 345,000 employees and 1822 stores as of February 2018.

A full-time employee works 40 hours per week * 50 weeks per year (2 off for vacation) = a total of 2000 hours. Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving 14,000 full-time employees a $1 per hour raise.

A part-time employee who works 20 hours per week * 50 weeks per year (2 off for vacation) = a total of 1000 hours. Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving 28,000 part-time employees a $1 per hour raise.

Based on the 345,000 employees, Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving every employee an extra $81.16 per year. For a full-time 40 hour per week employee, that is a raise of 4 cents per hour. For a part-time 20 hour per week employee, that is a raise of 8 cents per hour.

Based on the 1822 stores, Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving every store an extra $15,367 per year to spread around to their employees. That is less than a $1 raise for 8 full-time employees or 16 part-time employees.
 
First, I voted for Hillary in the primaries and Hillary in the general election. Hillary had a platform with detail policies and a husband who was President that grew the economy, balanced the budget with a surplus, grew jobs, and grew wages. Bernie had bumper stickers without any plans on how to achieve anything.

Second, I have never supported Trump. Trump is a moron who is ruining the economy with tax cuts for the rich that do not trickle down, tariffs that hurt companies and raise prices, reducing regulations that protect workers, causing a government shutdown over his lie that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and many other stupid policies.

Third, you clearly can not do math if you think Brian Cornell's $28,000,000 pay per year is preventing people from making $15 per hour.

Here is some math.

According to Wikipedia, Target employs about 345,000 employees and 1822 stores as of February 2018.

A full-time employee works 40 hours per week * 50 weeks per year (2 off for vacation) = a total of 2000 hours. Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving 14,000 full-time employees a $1 per hour raise.

A part-time employee who works 20 hours per week * 50 weeks per year (2 off for vacation) = a total of 1000 hours. Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving 28,000 part-time employees a $1 per hour raise.

Based on the 345,000 employees, Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving every employee an extra $81.16 per year. For a full-time 40 hour per week employee, that is a raise of 4 cents per hour. For a part-time 20 hour per week employee, that is a raise of 8 cents per hour.

Based on the 1822 stores, Cornell's $28 million salary is equivalent to giving every store an extra $15,367 per year to spread around to their employees. That is less than a $1 raise for 8 full-time employees or 16 part-time employees.

Not arguing over your arithmetic, but paying someone $28 million a year in a publicly traded company does seem ludicrous. He neither owns the company nor helped build it.
 
Not arguing over your arithmetic, but paying someone $28 million a year in a publicly traded company does seem ludicrous. He neither owns the company nor helped build it.

I am not defending Cornell's pay. CEO pay should be a base salary plus incentives/bonuses based on performance.

I am disputing that the CEO's salary is the reason that people do not make $15 per hour. Simple math disproves that idea.
 
I am not defending Cornell's pay. CEO pay should be a base salary plus incentives/bonuses based on performance.

I am disputing that the CEO's salary is the reason that people do not make $15 per hour. Simple math disproves that idea.

To be fair, no one, I believe, specifically said that .... "the CEO's salary is the reason that people do not make $15 per hour."
 
To be fair, no one, I believe, specifically said that .... "the CEO's salary is the reason that people do not make $15 per hour."

The person with the username of garbage did say that.

He said "We all know $15 an hour is so impossible when Brain Cornell is making his $28,000,000 a year...or if you’d prefer, $13,461 an hour".
 
Another negative consequence of the wage increase to $15 per hour is wage increases to store management. I don't know what the leads make but as the team members make more money, the difference between a lead's pay and a team member's pay goes down. Target risks losing leads if the difference in pay is not worth the aggravation of being a lead. For example, if a team lead is making $16 per hour and the team members is making $10 per hour, that is a significant difference. If the team lead is making $16 per hour and the team member is making $15 per hour, why would anyone want to be a team lead.

The difference doesn't go down. When base pay for TMs rise, the base pay for TLs also rise. The difference in TM and TL base pay is unlikely to be just $1.
 
The difference doesn't go down. When base pay for TMs rise, the base pay for TLs also rise. The difference in TM and TL base pay is unlikely to be just $1.

The problem is, that the tenured people don't get that dollar. The gap between new and experienced people gets thinner.

I don't think any salaried person has the mental fortitude to comprehend that.
 
#2 - Increase revenues to offset the wage increases. There are 2 ways to increase revenues - raise prices or sell more products. First, Target can not increase prices because they will lose sales to Amazon, Walmart, and other retailers. With their smartphones, a customer can see who has the lowest prices and order the products with free shipping. Second, Target can not sell more products just by paying retail employees more because customers will buy what they need regardless of what the cashier, stockperson, etc. is being paid. Nobody is buying more toilet paper or food or towels or clothes just because the cashier is making $15 instead of $10. Customers won't boycott the self-checkouts to go to a cashier in order to force Target to hire more cashiers.
People will buy more stuff if there are actually TM's who have time to get it out of the back room and get it on the sales floor. If the shelves are full and attractively displayed (zoned), people buy more stuff.
I went to Target to buy stocking stuffers (i.e. $50 worth of crap for each person's stocking that is holiday themed) and walked out with about $10 worth of stuff because the shelves were a damn mess. Empty, chaotic, etc. When shopping is fun and easy, I buy more stuff. Basic marketing.
 
1% of the world's population owns half of the world's wealth. But, sure Bernie didn't know where the money for $15 an hour was going to come from. LOL. He knew. He said so repeatedly: the millionaires and billionaires. Screw shitlib centrists like Hillary. Wouldn't promise $15 an hour because she didn't want to upset her billionaire donors and leave them without the money for a second yacht. That is why she lost: everyone knows she and her ilk won't do shit for them. Bernie 2020.
 
I would unironically vote for a left-populist in 2020, too bad nobody can beat the Clinton machine and their superdelegates. Lmao welp.

Also too bad left-populism is dead because populism in general is 100% associated with Drumpf now. Good luck getting any Bernie 2.0 to run on this platform now.

(Huge tangent I know, feel free to move to the politics thread)
 
People will buy more stuff if there are actually TM's who have time to get it out of the back room and get it on the sales floor. If the shelves are full and attractively displayed (zoned), people buy more stuff.
I went to Target to buy stocking stuffers (i.e. $50 worth of crap for each person's stocking that is holiday themed) and walked out with about $10 worth of stuff because the shelves were a damn mess. Empty, chaotic, etc. When shopping is fun and easy, I buy more stuff. Basic marketing.


Paying team members more money does not get them to put out more product or zone more shelves. Employees are already doing the job they choose to do. Quality employees do the best they can, the fastest they can. Other employees will continue to slack off.

Having more team members will result in more product on the shelves and more shelves zoned. That goes to my #3. Target can cut hours to offset the increase in wages. 15 employees making $10 per hour turns into 10 employees making $15 per hour.

Did anyone work in a store that had more employees working and more coverage then in previous years? Or did it seem that there were less employees working and less coverage? My store had 1 employee working in E (toys) & F (electronics) for nearly all of December. Very rarely was there multiple people working in E & F. The electronics breaks were covered by pulling someone from C & D or Market.
 
I would unironically vote for a left-populist in 2020, too bad nobody can beat the Clinton machine and their superdelegates. Lmao welp.

Also too bad left-populism is dead because populism in general is 100% associated with Drumpf now. Good luck getting any Bernie 2.0 to run on this platform now.

(Huge tangent I know, feel free to move to the politics thread)

I mean, I'm a socialist I'd vote for any leftist populist. I'm waiting for a Democrat candidate in my lifetime who isn't to the right of FDR. That's my litmus test: be as far left as FDR. Clinton and Obama Reaganites don't pass.

"Never before in all our history have these forces (the plutocrats) been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unaminous in the hate for me--and I welcome their hatred." -- FDR

"The rules that governed the blacksmith's shop in the days of Washington cannot, of necessity, govern the relationship between fifty thousand employees of a great corporation and the infinitely complex and diffused ownership of that corporation. If fifty thousand employees spoke with fifty thousand voices, there would be a modern Tower of Babel. That is why we insist on their right to choose their representatives to bargain collectively in their behalf with their employer." -- also FDR

Give me THAT Democrat.
 
1% of the world's population owns half of the world's wealth. But, sure Bernie didn't know where the money for $15 an hour was going to come from. LOL. He knew. He said so repeatedly: the millionaires and billionaires. Screw shitlib centrists like Hillary. Wouldn't promise $15 an hour because she didn't want to upset her billionaire donors and leave them without the money for a second yacht. That is why she lost: everyone knows she and her ilk won't do shit for them. Bernie 2020.


Going after the millionaires and billionaires will not work. They will do things to offset any tax increase. Very few millionaires and billionaires are going to just hand over their money to Bernie willingly.

Just like taxing Target and other companies more will not work. Target is cutting hours to offset paying higher wages. Increase Target's taxes and they will cut more hours.

Hillary wouldn't promise $15 per hour because $15 in New York is poverty while $15 in Wyoming could be upper middle class. $15 is not equal throughout the country. Hillary proposed $12 and letting states and cities go further if there area could support it.

Just like Bernie couldn't detail how to pay for Medicare for All. Bernie has admitted that people will lose their jobs because of Medicare for All but he doesn't care about that.
 
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