Archived $12 Min soon?

[unknown]

The etl-hr was chirping and cheerleading about this pay bump all week at huddle. Nevermind we have a skeleton crew now. How will they pay these hours? If you can't afford a cashier for $11 an hour, how can you better afford one at $12 an hour?

 

[Hazza43]

Are you having conversations, documented discussions and CCA conversations with team members? Did you write cashier, service desk and food service team member reviews this week? Are you interviewing potential new hires?

If you really are doing those team lead type duties, you should 100% be getting paid as a GSTL not GSA

So I like how you did that but it isn’t what I meant, within the floor we do equal but also our gstl doesn’t do some of that stuff so I really can’t judge on that. Anyway my point was that we work much harder and have much more responsibility compares to tms such as cashiers with maybe the same pay. I understand I personally don’t do 100% of GSTLs work but I feel like you misunderstood my statement

 

[BleacherSeats]

I think we are basically saying the same thing, GSA's do more work than cashiers but less responsibilities that GSTL which means there should be some middle ground payrate. Eliminating the shift differentials is foolish in my opinion.

When I quoted you I was implying that if you were being made to do GSTL duties you deserved that pay grade.

 

[AshTR]

From what my HR filled me in on today, not 100% positive this is all correct but it's what I was told:
1. Current team members and any new hires who start by 5/5/18 will have a $12 minimum.
2. New hires after 5/6/18 will start at $11 with a bump scheduled sometime this fall.
3. Logistics and GSA no longer have any shift differential bumps.

Merit examples

Current TM makes 11.50 right now and earns a .25 raise---they will be bumped to $12 on 4/29.

Current TM makes 11.50 right now and earns a .75 raise---they will only increase to $12.25 on 4/29

Dates may vary by region/group based on pay schedule and I can't guarantee this is correct but thought I'd share.

Will there still be job differential though? Right now I'm Logistics and after the last bump I went up to $11 + .50 job diff and then $1 night diff between 4AM-8AM.

Will this make all my hours $12.50? Or $12? If the latter, I'm going to look for a position later in the day. We've got plenty open.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Watch your check & see what happens. You can ask hr, too.

 

[BackLog]

Will there still be job differential though? Right now I'm Logistics and after the last bump I went up to $11 + .50 job diff and then $1 night diff between 4AM-8AM.

Will this make all my hours $12.50? Or $12? If the latter, I'm going to look for a position later in the day. We've got plenty open.

The job differential goes away entirely, so the extra 50¢ that logistics and gsa's get right now won't be there. They will both be at the standard $12 pay rate.

The early morning differential will still be there though, so it's still an extra $1 until 8am as long as you work 3 or more hours before 8.

 

[Flow Warrior]

Okay but what if your at T-1040 and all of your team members are a Bill, Brian or Brad?

Well, if the Vista California store is truly like that then maybe they simply need a tax cut, free trip to Disneyland or something else.

 

[Thunderbird1956]

Why bother busting my ass anymore if I dont get any benefit from working hard.

I keep seeing this concept and the answer is so you don't get performanced out. The higher minimum is already bringing in a better applicant pool at my store. Yeah, you may have a little more knowledge about how things used to be done, but that doesn't always mean that's best practice or how they are done now.

 

[Kartman]

I'm not the same employee I was when I was hired.

The thrill is mos def gone.

 

[Saul Goodman]

They should really give the $12 bump, THEN do reviews. So your review actually means something and you can get bumped up higher. But I'm sure that won't happen. Just screw over the people that have been putting in work to hire someone new at the same pay

 

[Ahem]

The higher minimum is already bringing in a better applicant pool at my store.

It's bringing lazier people to my store. I think people assume retail is easy and you can just fuck off without anyone noticing, but with the pay so competitive, of course these people pick target. If I could get away with twiddling my thumbs for $12, why not?

And when we do get the great workers who are quick learners, hard workers and all that jazz, they leave because they're annoyed by the problems. They aren't getting the hours they want, their schedules are not what they'd hoped (young people will give open availability because they are assuming the shitty shifts will rotate among their teammates), there's understaffing which leads to overworking, the girls that came in excited about beauty are being sent to push paper towels while wearing a full beat. And then my store is in the midst of a remodel that seems terribly unorganized and it's pissing us all off.

 

[Anelmi]

It's bringing lazier people to my store. I think people assume retail is easy and you can just fuck off without anyone noticing, but with the pay so competitive, of course these people pick target. If I could get away with twiddling my thumbs for $12, why not?.

This is what I’m witnessing at my store.

 

[Rock Lobster]

The job differential goes away entirely, so the extra 50¢ that logistics and gsa's get right now won't be there. They will both be at the standard $12 pay rate.

The early morning differential will still be there though, so it's still an extra $1 until 8am as long as you work 3 or more hours before 8.

I'm still trying to make sense of the GSA position losing its diff. Logistics is one where I can understand how an upper level leader would justify losing theirs. I don't agree with it because if you have ever worked on a truck unload (especially more difficult ones as of late), then you will understand that a good truck thrower works harder in that hour than any fast moving SFTM does their whole shift... but I am just assuming the unload will be going away this year to justify this (although I doubt it).

But a GSA paid the same as a cashier? Why would anyone want to be a GSA then?

 

[Kartman]

Because they love the guests.

LOVE EM!!!

 

[Leo47]

I’m angry about the GSA cut and I’m not even a GSA. There’s NO WAY our GSAs deserve to get paid the same as me. I spend my entire shift bullshitting with my friends at guest service (I get stuff done but I have a lot of fun while doing it, we also stand around and talk a LOT) meanwhile the GSA on shift is handling angry guests, helping with complicated problems, ensuring we all get our breaks and lunches in a timely manner, etc. If I was a GSA I’d ask to be “demoted” to cashier only duties then if that’s how I’m gonna be paid.

 

[IWishIKnew]

And then my store is in the midst of a remodel that seems terribly unorganized and it's pissing us all off.

Try to cultivate the mantra "This too shall pass." Remodels, like road construction, piss everyone off but they are temporary. Hang in there!

 

[Trek]

More raises oh god as a seasonal turned SCO TM that haven't learn other areas at all prob due to my availability do i even deserve it? I do a lot of tasks independently but still not more than GSA with them supervisor codes, info from etls & keys also you 100% matter lol
Its finally time to volunteer to step up as a GSA once they ask and take all the hits it'll be almost the same thing as watching SCO

 

[starfishncoffee]

I'm still trying to make sense of the GSA position losing its diff. Logistics is one where I can understand how an upper level leader would justify losing theirs. I don't agree with it because if you have ever worked on a truck unload (especially more difficult ones as of late), then you will understand that a good truck thrower works harder in that hour than any fast moving SFTM does their whole shift... but I am just assuming the unload will be going away this year to justify this (although I doubt it).

But a GSA paid the same as a cashier? Why would anyone want to be a GSA then?

Exactly. And as a GSA, I can't help but wonder what's going to happen to the position. Is it going to go away? I believe @Amanda Cantwell predicted that and I can't help but wonder if she's right. There are aspects of my job I love, but a heap of aggravation goes with it (high-maintenance cashiers, the worst of guests, and in my case anyway, an ETL-GE who has no clue what they're doing). I thought $.50 over was too low, to be honest (and did before I became one). Will they somehow integrate GSAs/GSTMs? (Pardon me if that last bit sounds like babbling. I'm coming off four days in a row of closing and I'm forgetting how to word properly.)

Asking to cross-train is looking better and better. So is trying to figure out how to make this look good on a resume.

 

[RhettB]

With upwards of $15, you can hire more diligently, and have a higher expectation of the team members. If you can't sell, may want to rethink where you want to work.

 

[Targetelect]

My worry is, that with this new sell mentality, it's gonna get easier to be coached and performances out. I work hard, and I'm good with guests, but I don't hang out around the boat like the rest of my peers. They get more sales and attachments then I do, but I work harder then they do. And I really do try and sell. This whole thing has me stressing out.

 

[Thunderbird1956]

@Targetelect Keep in mind it's a balance. The reason they get attachments is because they are where the people are AND presumably because you've worked to fill the floor. This is why they are putting the emphasis on greeting every guest. If you're not upselling by standing at a POS then if you smile, say hi, or ask if the person walking by needs help then you're making sure they know they can come to you if they need something for the sale not just go to the POS person.

 

[Rock Lobster]

Exactly. And as a GSA, I can't help but wonder what's going to happen to the position. Is it going to go away? I believe @Amanda Cantwell predicted that and I can't help but wonder if she's right. There are aspects of my job I love, but a heap of aggravation goes with it (high-maintenance cashiers, the worst of guests, and in my case anyway, an ETL-GE who has no clue what they're doing). I thought $.50 over was too low, to be honest (and did before I became one). Will they somehow integrate GSAs/GSTMs? (Pardon me if that last bit sounds like babbling. I'm coming off four days in a row of closing and I'm forgetting how to word properly.)

Asking to cross-train is looking better and better. So is trying to figure out how to make this look good on a resume.

My only thought was...

ETLs and STLs work during the day only during the week, and STL is always LOD. ETL should be up front most of the time. That would partially help with coverage.

Second was that there were tons of expert type positions in this tree around guest engagement and service and stuff. I was told these were TMs and I wasn’t sure if they were the new Titles or a position similar to the old specialists that could replace GSAs

 

[Times Up]

My only thought was...

ETLs and STLs work during the day only during the week, and STL is always LOD. ETL should be up front most of the time. That would partially help with coverage.

Second was that there were tons of expert type positions in this tree around guest engagement and service and stuff. I was told these were TMs and I wasn’t sure if they were the new Titles or a position similar to the old specialists that could replace GSAs

Unless the store has a GE/SF ETL. Those folks are spread pretty thin.

 

[Frontlanegirl]

My only thought was...

ETLs and STLs work during the day only during the week, and STL is always LOD. ETL should be up front most of the time. That would partially help with coverage.

Second was that there were tons of expert type positions in this tree around guest engagement and service and stuff. I was told these were TMs and I wasn’t sure if they were the new Titles or a position similar to the old specialists that could replace GSAs

So basically those who are GSA's will no longer be GSA's and they will again be a cashier? I know our front end could not manage without our GSA's. We only have a couple of GSTL's and during busy times it is non-stop responding to lights, guest situations, front-end coverage, etc.

 

[SFSFun]

ETL should be up front most of the time. That would partially help with coverage.

So, replacing the $11.50/hr GSAs with salaried managers to do the same thing?