Archived Gap raises its minimum wage to $10/ hr over next two years

[NeoDarikona]

Tips... If you are caught accepting one as a TM, you can be terminated. That is what is BS about Target.

As far as servers, many people tip because they assume the server has a lower wage. If wages are raised for them, tips will likely fall.

Really? Because servers in Oregon make minimum wage and still get tipped. And you're still a piece of shit if you expect someone to be your servant and not tip them here.

 

[RhettB]

Tips... If you are caught accepting one as a TM, you can be terminated. That is what is BS about Target.

As far as servers, many people tip because they assume the server has a lower wage. If wages are raised for them, tips will likely fall.

Really? Because servers in Oregon make minimum wage and still get tipped. And you're still a piece of shit if you expect someone to be your servant and not tip them here.

The issue has came up where I live and that is one of the arguments given from some servers actually against a minimum wage. $2.13 and hour plus tips is greater than $7.25 and the possibility of lesser tips.

 

[commiecorvus]

Some states have minimum wage exemptions for small businesses. If a business makes less than X amount per year, they can pay less than minimum wage.

What I don't get is why people who get tips get lower than minimum wage, and that this is spelled out in the labor laws. I don't understand that. It's f***ing stupid. Tips are money the business was never going to see, so who cares? The business provides a service, has a price for that service, the price is paid by the patron as spelled out on the bill, and that's that. Nice, simple transaction. So, what's with all the whining about how much they make in tips, so much so that there needs to be a law to bring the worker down? "Wages plus tips will equal minimum wage, so it's ok" is weak as f*** as a "reason".

Because they get tips. If their server wages + tips are less than minimum wage, the employer has to pay them the gap. (Where I live). A better question is, is why so many servers don't report all their tips. I've known some people who have been servers and this is common. So they are cheating their employer out of more wages as well as the IRS.

Doesn't matter if they under report most of the time.
The numbers are based on the stores business level so their taxes are figures on what kind of restaurant it is and they pay that much tax even if they don't get tipped which is why sometimes they get paychecks with no money at all on them.
The make up on the minimum wage is based on the reported sales as well so that if the store is pulling in a certain amount they assume the person is making enough in tips to cover the difference even if people aren't tipping.
If you live in a big city or work in top end restaurants this isn't a bad deal.
Otherwise it sucks.

 

[bab5crusade]

As for tips and minimum wage. If you are making $15 an hour. You don't need tips. We should not be using tips as the main source of income. It's horrible. If a customer wants to give you a tip because you went an extra mile. I don't mind that either. I believes tips should not be a sole income. This is why many socialists are oppose to tip credit.

 

[RhettB]

Some states have minimum wage exemptions for small businesses. If a business makes less than X amount per year, they can pay less than minimum wage.

What I don't get is why people who get tips get lower than minimum wage, and that this is spelled out in the labor laws. I don't understand that. It's f***ing stupid. Tips are money the business was never going to see, so who cares? The business provides a service, has a price for that service, the price is paid by the patron as spelled out on the bill, and that's that. Nice, simple transaction. So, what's with all the whining about how much they make in tips, so much so that there needs to be a law to bring the worker down? "Wages plus tips will equal minimum wage, so it's ok" is weak as f*** as a "reason".

Because they get tips. If their server wages + tips are less than minimum wage, the employer has to pay them the gap. (Where I live). A better question is, is why so many servers don't report all their tips. I've known some people who have been servers and this is common. So they are cheating their employer out of more wages as well as the IRS.

Doesn't matter if they under report most of the time.
The numbers are based on the stores business level so their taxes are figures on what kind of restaurant it is and they pay that much tax even if they don't get tipped which is why sometimes they get paychecks with no money at all on them.
The make up on the minimum wage is based on the reported sales as well so that if the store is pulling in a certain amount they assume the person is making enough in tips to cover the difference even if people aren't tipping.
If you live in a big city or work in top end restaurants this isn't a bad deal.
Otherwise it sucks.

My point with the reporting is don't complain about the wages level set by the government when you are not paying taxes. In my state, you report your wages. It has nothing to do with sales volume.

 

[commiecorvus]

My point with the reporting is don't complain about the wages level set by the government when you are not paying taxes. In my state, you report your wages. It has nothing to do with sales volume.

State taxes maybe but Federal taxes are set by what kind of restaurant you work in.
They automatically assume a tax level for the kind of restaurant and yes you have to report your tips but even if you report under it doesn't matter.
This came from back in the 80's when lawmakers decided that there was a huge underground economy in the serving class because they got to self report so they set the tip levels for taxes.
It was true most people under reported but not at nearly the levels people thought.

 

[RhettB]

I know some servers, their payroll taxes are based on their wages, the tips processed as part of a charged transaction, and the portion they report as cash tips. That is it. I'm not discrediting what you are saying, but their employers accountant it figuring things differently.

 

[Rarejem]

Another point on under reporting - My former husband under reported and tips made up a LARGE part of his income. This totally affected my children in that it was not possible for me to ask for an increase in child support because it LOOKED like he was not making the income that he really was. They get to live on my Target income.

 

[commiecorvus]

Another point on under reporting - My former husband under reported and tips made up a LARGE part of his income. This totally affected my children in that it was not possible for me to ask for an increase in child support because it LOOKED like he was not making the income that he really was. They get to live on my Target income.

Now that's seriously uncool.
I've known woman whose ex's were construction workers and they would work under the table so they didn't have to pay support.
Or they would actually quit jobs the minute the agency found out where they were working and started taking support out of their checks.
I even knew I guy who owned a restaurant but kept it in his mothers name and paid himself minimum wage so he wouldn't have to pay child support (they caught up with him TG).

 

[Retail Girl]

Yep, when I worked at the pizza place, they were paid no minimum wage. They made $3 cash per delivery and got to keep whatever tip they made. Since it was all off the books, the guys who had child support payments loved it, since that meant they didn't have to pay. Classy.

 

[commiecorvus]

Yep, when I worked at the pizza place, they were paid no minimum wage. They made $3 cash per delivery and got to keep whatever tip they made. Since it was all off the books, the guys who had child support payments loved it, since that meant they didn't have to pay. Classy.

Assholes.
There's a Staten Island republican Congressman who is going up on fraud charges for paying keeping two sets of books so he could pay the workers at his restaurant under the table.
Wish stuff like that would happen more often.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/n...-grimm-is-indicted-on-fraud-charges.html?_r=0

 

[commiecorvus]

Hobby Lobby starts at $14/hr. I've applied there many times but it's so hard to into that place as people don't tend to leave. It's only 5 minutes from my house whereas Target is close to 20. What I'd save on gas.....

Well Hobby Lobby just opened up and the $14 wage is just for supervisors. Also note I will never work for that company for moral reasons. I will not work for a company that puts it's religious rights over the rights of everyone else.

Murdering Babies is not a "right".

Oh boy, let's avoid the screeching.

In Hobby Lobby's case it has to do with birth control and nothing to do with abortion.
They don't want to pay for their employees rightful portion of the health insurance that would cover birth control no matter what the reason is, even if it's strictly for health reasons.
The fact that HL has a ton of money invested in the company that makes the morning after pill just makes the entire situation kind of moot.

 

[bab5crusade]

Hobby Lobby starts at $14/hr. I've applied there many times but it's so hard to into that place as people don't tend to leave. It's only 5 minutes from my house whereas Target is close to 20. What I'd save on gas.....

Well Hobby Lobby just opened up and the $14 wage is just for supervisors. Also note I will never work for that company for moral reasons. I will not work for a company that puts it's religious rights over the rights of everyone else.

Murdering Babies is not a "right".

Oh boy, let's avoid the screeching.

In Hobby Lobby's case it has to do with birth control and nothing to do with abortion.
They don't want to pay for their employees rightful portion of the health insurance that would cover birth control no matter what the reason is, even if it's strictly for health reasons.
The fact that HL has a ton of money invested in the company that makes the morning after pill just makes the entire situation kind of moot.

Also note if you read many of the Hobby Lobby briefs. Many of the briefs mainly talk about abortion, but the fear that birth control will make women into whores and sluts.

http://www.becketfund.org/hobbylobbyamicus/

 

[redeye58]

Also note if you read many of the Hobby Lobby briefs. Many of the briefs mainly talk about abortion, but the fear that birth control will make women into whores and sluts.

Quoted from my elderly mother:
And what does Viagra & Cialis make men?
Horny old toads at a time in life when the Good Lord shut that function down.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Wait, isn't this spot breakroom? Not a politic forum?

 

[commiecorvus]

Wait, isn't this spot breakroom? Not a politic forum?

Kinda hard for the two not to met head on sometimes.