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Hey this might be a long shot, but did anyone ever save the org charts from the old forums (or maybe know some of them off the top of their head?)...

I am specifically looking for the differences between A, A+, and A++ (any other volumes are greatly appreciated :p)
 
Hearing this at our store, too. TL's are shaking in their boots with worry over what it means.
 
At my store we already know that TLs without at least 60 college credits/associate degrees will be let go. (I was already directly told this by ETLHR, so I don't care what anyone else here says. It *is* going to happen. My ass was already flat out told I was being let go after christmas due to them assuming I had no college until they found out I had an associates degree)

Also the "rumor" is that those TLs that remain will be getting a pay raise *and* will *all* be key carriers. Basically we will all be equal to logistics TLs - key carriers that can be in the store without a SrTL/ETL when the store is closed, but will have added responsibility with our "keys" to run bull sh** tasks that the ETLs do now. (unlocking the compactor button, lettings vendors in the backdoor, etc) Also apparently they will be implementing what an ETL told me is called "chain of command" that basically will make it so TMs must *always* ask their TL for direction on all tasks first before even speaking to an ETL, and apparently this will be enforced via coachings/counselings and is going to be a strict requirement. So in other words, if a TM was walking by an ETL they could not even ask so much as "Should I zone A or B first?". If they did, it would be a write up. Also I heard they are going to make TLs much more accountable. So if your numbers are red, the company is making it much easier for them to fire you on AE12. I have heard this rumor from two ETLs who say they heard it from someone higher up... so who the hell knows if it is true or not at this point.... but I will say the ETLs I heard it from were also the same ETL's who told me they heard all specialists positions were being eliminated.... and that was about 3 months before anyone heard about it back then. So they have proven reliable so far, whoever "higher up" is talking to them....
 
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2 comments to the above poster.. It most likely depends on the region, group and district as to whether or not they will sart requiring degrees and/or 60 credits. I have heard of no such thing but we will see soon enough. The other thing about TL's being key carriers does make more sense as it is the next logical next step in increased responsibilty along with the greater emphasis on the TLOD program.
 
IamLegendTGT said:
2 comments to the above poster.. It most likely depends on the region, group and district as to whether or not they will sart requiring degrees and/or 60 credits. I have heard of no such thing but we will see soon enough. The other thing about TL's being key carriers does make more sense as it is the next logical next step in increased responsibilty along with the greater emphasis on the TLOD program.
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I agree with you, but when does target make sense? That is just what I have heard from two different ETLs.

My guess is that target is trying to completely "push the bar" as far as everything is concerned. The general trend seems to be that they want everyone to do more work. That is why I believe the ETLs who told me this - because it fits the pattern perfectly. If three years ago you told me they would cut TLs/combine ETLs/make ETLHR & ETLAP work LOD shifts/eliminate specialists I would have told you that you were out of your damned mind. Well, all those things ended up happening.

The sad truth is - the economy is freaking bad (and everyone knows it will be for many more years to come at this point) and they know it so they have decided to take advantage of it. There are thousands of people with degrees that can't get any kind of job at all. So if they can get away with requiring college for TLs, why not do it? That's all this is. Taking advantage of the economy to benefit the company from an HR standpoint.

I wouldn't be surprised if the headline of AE12 at HQ says "Achieving Excellence 2012 - AKA You'll take it and like it because we know you don't have any other options".
 
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There is so much bad information in this thread I honestly wish it was deleted. Please stop with the information you 'heard' from your source because I can tell you it is not true. There is no set rule that you have to go to a TL before can ETL or you get written up, it's what you should do and the chain of command is nothing new. You could be coached or written up for it but it would only come from some power tripping TL or arrogant ETL and they would tie it into some stupid broad rule that you broke. All TL's will not become key carriers nor will all TL be getting a pay raise just because they are a TL. It will not be easier to fire you in 2012 based off of what you heard, hell it's a piece of cake now and will stay the same. TL's will not be termed for not having a college degree (perhaps in your store/district/etc but not company wide).

From some of your statements I can tell that someone has given you a little information but either you have it mixed up or they do.

For any TL's actually worried about their job message me and let me know your org chart and I will give you more information.
 
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There is so much bad information in this thread I honestly wish it was deleted. Please stop with the information you 'heard' from your source because I can tell you it is not true. There is no set rule that you have to go to a TL before can ETL or you get written up, it's what you should do and the chain of command is nothing new. You could be coached or written up for it but it would only come from some power tripping TL or arrogant ETL and they would tie it into some stupid broad rule that you broke. All TL's will not become key carriers nor will all TL be getting a pay raise just because they are a TL. It will not be easier to fire you in 2012 based off of what you heard, hell it's a piece of cake now and will stay the same. TL's will not be termed for not having a college degree (perhaps in your store/district/etc but not company wide).

From some of your statements I can tell that someone has given you a little information but either you have it mixed up or they do.

For any TL's actually worried about their job message me and let me know your org chart and I will give you more information.
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I will ask you this - how is the information you heard any more reliable than what I heard? Unless you are an HQ employee that is high up you have not seen anything official. All we can go on at the stores is what has trickled down, and all that is right now is rumors. Some of it may be true, some of it may not be.... that's how rumors are. Sometimes true, sometimes not. I am just sharing what I have heard from two ETLs who actually got it right back with AE10 and AE11. Also, I am at least willing to share it publicly.... not "message me if you want super secret details!" immature BS.

I made damn clear in my post that this was just what I heard, and that it could be wrong.... unlike you and your secret private messages that sound like you have a direct line to the CEO. Still, I trust my sources because what they heard about previous AE's was correct. That doesn't mean they are right this time, but I still think people should be aware just incase.
 
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Well, well. Maybe instead of bickering and accusing each other, we can work together and share?
 
Being at a low volume store, some of the things being posted in this thread suddenly make a lot of sense.

One of the GSTL's has been there 7 years now, he has never shown any interest in doing anything but GSTL for as long as I've known him (going on 6 years). Suddenly he is taking online courses to "further his career with target"

I recently interviewed for an open GSTL position. I've been a GSA ever since they eliminated the Cash Office Specialist position. I was told at the end of the interview process that I do a "GREAT!" job up front, but they went with another candidate. They went with someone who had 0 experience up front, but also has a degree.

We have had 2 openings for a "bench warming" Senior Team Lead positions for the last 3 months now. From what I've been told by HR, this position involves being trained for Senior Team Lead but not actually stepping into the position until the store warrants it (sometime next year). The details are rather murky but it involves us converting to Pfresh.

I also applied for this position, along with another team member. Neither of us was even given an interview. HR said it was too soon since my last interview, but I have no idea why the other team member didn't get one. We both do not hold any type of degree.

If what StateofTarget has heard is true, I suppose they did us a favor by not giving us an interview. I would be rather pissed if I got a promotion and then got canned immediately after the Christmas rush :)
 
Lots of rumors on this thread. Proceed with caution. What we do know....1) something IS happening with guest services (GSTL's, GSA's, policies, and the area in general) and 2) something is happening with TL's. That's what we know. Please don't be feeding the rumor mill. It may be true, it may not. Quit being silly.
 
Only one thing for certain: nothing good comes out of AE.
 
insiteful1 said:
Lots of rumors on this thread. Proceed with caution. What we do know....1) something IS happening with guest services (GSTL's, GSA's, policies, and the area in general) and 2) something is happening with TL's. That's what we know. Please don't be feeding the rumor mill. It may be true, it may not. Quit being silly.
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How do we know for sure there will be changes to front end? I have not even heard anyone suggest that at my store....
 
StateofTarget said:
How do we know for sure there will be changes to front end? I have not even heard anyone suggest that at my store....
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I doubt anyone knows anything for sure yet... I am pretty sure that there will be changes to the front end yet again (has there been an AE where the front end hasn't been changed somehow?)... It may not be a large change but they are testing getting rid of the service desk and making a couple express lane/service desk combos instead in ULV stores... Who knows they may go down to 1 GSTL in ULV stores too because if you ask me, its pretty crazy that a D volume and A+ volume are allocated the same amount of GSTLs! Target isn't blind to these kinds of inefficiencies!

And of course there will be some sort of change to TLs... That is what AE is all about... Its usually cutting positions and making the TLs do more leadership stuff... so we will see what happens!
 
redeye58 said:
Only one thing for certain: nothing good comes out of AE.
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You are sort of right... I think AE makes things HARDER on the store and its teams... but ultimately they are changes that should happen! When I started there were 4+ leaders and an ETL for every area of the store and we were a low b volume... ETL-GE and 4 GSTLs... ETL-HL and 5 HLTLs + CTL... ETL-SL and 4 SLTLs etc... Sure the store looked better, but could Target really stay afloat with this kind of staffing? Plus everyone complains about too many chiefs and not enough Indians... AE is a step in the right direction!

I will say however, that while Target has done a good job of reducing the amounts of chiefs, they have gotten VERY greedy and have never given us back that payroll for TMs to lead... we are halfway there but Target needs to start giving out the payroll now to actually staff our stores!
 
^True, this.
But, as I mentioned in an earlier thread, this is why they should bring specialists back. If you're going to foist more of the ETLs' duties onto TLs (& demanding that they have degrees), specialists could siphon off some of the TLs' duties like sales planners, scheduling, etc. TLs would still need to be responsible for disciplinary & administrative roles but much of the task work could be shouldered by specialists. It would also showcase who has leadership potential at an earlier phase. It would also be more realistic for a spec to consider working toward a degree if they knew they were being groomed for the future.
 
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