Unionizing your department

[Hardlinesmaster]

Because it may be inappropriate to do the whole store.

NLRB has the final say on what is the proper bargaining unit. Yes, it could be Fulfillment alone or the Starbucks alone, but the NLRB would get to decide that when you send in your petition with the signatures. NLRB could always say no, it has to be the entire store.

Whole store or none.

 

[akzadeh1]

Fox News in Va.

Virginia Target workers plan to refile petition for union election within next few weeks | Fox Business

Target Workers Unite, founded by Adam Ryan who has been working at Target Virginia store for five years, told FOX Business that they did not have enough valid signatures to pursue an official election under the supervision of the U.S. National Labor Relations Board.

www.foxbusiness.com

If you read your 1st post about unions. You knew this fact already.

no, I mean your source for your assertions about why the push failed. Not sure FOX is credible.

 

[akzadeh1]

Whole store or none.

Why?

 

[commiecorvus]

If there are tons of managers from other stores in your store - and they all started in there around the time management found out you were talking about unions - do you think it’s necessarily surveillance & union busting?

Not sure I follow.
Tons of managers as in visitors?
Or customers?

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

no, I mean your source for your assertions about why the push failed. Not sure FOX is credible.

Target workers at a Christiansburg store withdraw union petition

Workers at a Target store in Christiansburg, Virginia, have withdrawn their request with federal labor regulators for a union election.

www.wsls.com

Target workers at a Virginia store withdraw union petition

Workers at a Target store in Christiansburg, Virginia, have withdrawn their request with federal labor regulators for a union election.

www.cnbc.com

 

[akzadeh1]

Whole store or none.

If the NLRB is convinced the departments

Not sure I follow.
Tons of managers as

Not sure I follow.
Tons of managers as in visitors?
Or customers?

Managers from other stores performing work in the departments, but not supervising. Just working & lurking.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Why?

Because you need 30% of staff for the vote.

 

[akzadeh1]

Target workers at a Christiansburg store withdraw union petition

Workers at a Target store in Christiansburg, Virginia, have withdrawn their request with federal labor regulators for a union election.

www.wsls.com

Target workers at a Virginia store withdraw union petition

Workers at a Target store in Christiansburg, Virginia, have withdrawn their request with federal labor regulators for a union election.

www.cnbc.com

Ah ha, but only the FOX article says it failed for the reasons you mentioned. CNBC article does not.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Ah ha, but only the FOX article says it failed for the reasons you mentioned. CNBC article does not.

You don’t get it. Try doing at your store. Please provide the nrlb regulations that cover your claim.

 

[commiecorvus]

If the NLRB is convinced the departments


Managers from other stores performing work in the departments, but not supervising. Just working & lurking.

Could be a number of different reasons.
Union busting is certainly one.
However, if the reason that the people want to start a union is that work conditions suck (more than usual Target conditions) those conditions are probably clear to management as well.
The bosses are going to bring in people to clean up the mess and the cheapest people to do that are the ones already on salary.
Which is why it is never a great idea to be an ETL (or whatever they are called these days) at Target.

 

[akzadeh1]

You don’t get it. Try doing at your store.

They got to the election stage at the Valley Stream Target store in 2011. They got past the petition, and an NLRB election was held. It failed, but not overwhelmingly, and the NLRB concluded the election was tainted by management interference. The Christiansburg example you cite is not a good one, because difficulty lies in actually winning the union election, as opposed to getting past the petition stage.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

They got to the election stage at the Valley Stream Target store in 2011. They got past the petition, and an NLRB election was held. It failed, but not overwhelmingly, and the NLRB concluded the election was tainted by management interference. The Christiansburg example you cite is not a good one, because difficulty lies in actually winning the union election, as opposed to getting past the petition stage.

Valley stream got closed

Target shuts down Valley Stream store, workers cry foul

Last week, the management of the Target store in Valley Stream, N.Y., told workers that...

amsterdamnews.com

 

[akzadeh1]

Could be a number of different reasons.
Union busting is certainly one.
However, if the reason that the people want to start a union is that work conditions suck (more than usual Target conditions) those conditions are probably clear to management as well.
The bosses are going to bring in people to clean up the mess and the cheapest people to do that are the ones already on salary.
Which is why it is never a great idea to be an ETL (or whatever they are called these days) at Target.

NLRB did conclude that Starbucks regularly flooded its unionizing stores with corporate higher ups & managers from other stores

 

[akzadeh1]

Valley stream got closed

Target shuts down Valley Stream store, workers cry foul

Last week, the management of the Target store in Valley Stream, N.Y., told workers that...

amsterdamnews.com

I know, not sure what happened, because a second election was supposed to be held

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

They got to the election stage at the Valley Stream Target store in 2011. They got past the petition, and an NLRB election was held. It failed, but not overwhelmingly, and the NLRB concluded the election was tainted by management interference. The Christiansburg example you cite is not a good one, because difficulty lies in actually winning the union election, as opposed to getting past the petition stage.

Adam Ryan would disagree with you.

I know, not sure what happened, because a second election was supposed to be held

source?

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

NLRB did conclude that Starbucks regularly flooded its unionizing stores with corporate higher ups & managers from other stores

Stand alone Starbucks we’re up for union vote, not target.

Starbucks fired the employee responsible for igniting the Starbucks Workers United union campaign

Starbucks fired the employee responsible for igniting the Starbucks Workers United union campaign.

www.cnbc.com

 

[akzadeh1]

Adam Ryan would disagree with you.

source?

Let’s refocus on the idea of unionizing the various departments individually. Note: business is freaking out over the idea Duane Morris LLP - Combating Micro-Units in the Age of a Pro-Union NLRB - https://www.duanemorris.com/articles/combating_microunits_age_prounion_nlrb_0722.html

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Let’s refocus on the idea of unionizing the various departments individually. Note: business is freaking out over the idea Duane Morris LLP - Combating Micro-Units in the Age of a Pro-Union NLRB - https://www.duanemorris.com/articles/combating_microunits_age_prounion_nlrb_0722.html

Does not apply.

 

[akzadeh1]

Because you need 30% of staff for the vote.

False! That is not true. It could be 30% of your department. NLRB officer told me so, and the recent NLRB decision known as American Steel makes it much easier to do so.

 

[akzadeh1]

Does not apply.

Reason? You cite no reasons. The recent NLRB decision in the case known as American Steel makes it clear that business has the burden of proving an overwhelming community of interest when individual departments or microunits try to unionize

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Reason? You cite no reasons. The recent NLRB decision in the case known as American Steel makes it clear that business has the burden of proving an overwhelming community of interest when individual departments or microunits try to unionize

Try doing it at your store.

 

[akzadeh1]

Adam Ryan would disagree with you.

source?

Look it up. Shutting down the store was to prevent the second election.

 

[akzadeh1]

Try doing it at your store.

Will do.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Google Adam Ryan for your answers.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Look it up. Shutting down the store was to prevent the second election.

Valley Stream Target Store Workers Reject Unionization

Workers voted 137-85 against unionization. A "yes" vote would have made the Valley Stream store the first Target in the country to be unionized.

www.cbsnews.com