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How many girls are Backroom TMs in your store?

When I was hired, it was just me and my TL. Then we brought on 2 more over the last few months.... the TL doesn't want any more. Is it really such a male dominated position everywhere?
 

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Probably a good third of the backroom crew are women.
They are also some of the hardest workers.
 
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Right now, besides our LOG-TL, we have zero female backroom TMs. We very rarely have female Backroom Dayside TMs. We'll sometimes have female Backroom AM TMs, but they don't last very long. And while what Hardlinesmaster said about them being fast backstockers, that is true...when it's light duty, loose, open stock items. In my experience, I've never seen a fast female backstocker with casepack backstock, or bulk backstock. In fact, I've never seen a female Backroom TM push/backstock the bulk pallets off the truck, period.
 

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In my store, the ETLs are all women, as are the TLs with the exception of two. No women in the backroom though.
 
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I worked at a grocery store doing overnight stocking before transferring to the front end.

Once I transferred to the front end, I occasionally did day stock, usually when someone else called in.

Doing day stock I worked with this girl who had just turned 18 and could have worked circles around most of the night stock crew.

She wanted to transfer to night stock because it paid a $1-$2 an hour more and since she was 18, she could legally work overnight.

They wouldn't transfer her and for no reason other than she was a girl.

I don't know about Target but everywhere I've ever worked, working the trucks and backstock has been mostly guys and overnight was entirely guys.
 
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How many girls are Backroom TMs in your store?

When I was hired, it was just me and my TL. Then we brought on 2 more over the last few months.... the TL doesn't want any more. Is it really such a male dominated position everywhere?
Are you f'n kidding me?!?!?! Call the integrity hotline if this comment was made on the clock. This is illegal. Target does not discriminate based on gender.
 
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At Target, my store's overnight backroom team was half female, including 2 female BR TLs. Usually, it was the guys who did the bulk, but not always. I even did the bulk pulls once and the only problem I had was getting stuck on the WAV.
I don't remember the dayside BR that well but it seemed more male-dominated than the O/N team.
 
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All the backroom girls always ask me to reach a certain box for them or go up on the ladder and get one of the heavier boxes.
 
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I'm probably going to offend somebody in saying this, but...

It won't be the first time I've offended someone...

I'm all for equal opportunity and as I said before, I worked with a girl on day stock who could have worked circles around anyone on the night stock crew.

But, that said and this would include the girl who was great at putting up stock.

When it came to unloading a truck, pulling out a heavy cart, climbing a ladder, climbing up on an overhead rack to get backstock down, etc.

No, I don't have to do that.

That's what the guys are here for.
 
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I am a middle age woman. I have been with Target close to 10 years. The TM's they hire, first are usually about half my age, most are deathly afraid of heights. I can do and usually do, almost anything in the store, and it is so sad, to watch the tm's and tl's, that will climb up the first two steps of a ladder, if they cannot reach it, they look at me, and say can you please. I have finally started walking out, or just saying no. You need to learn. If you cannot perform the core roles for "YOUR" job, then guess what. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT JOB! I stand on the rungs on the wave and pretty much dangle from it sometimes getting stuff down or up. I don't have any problem standing on the top step of the ladder, I do it all the time. That is when the TL's need to step up and do their jobs. I used to jump up and say let me do it. We don't have the time for me to do your job anymore.
 
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I'm probably going to offend somebody in saying this, but...

It won't be the first time I've offended someone...

I'm all for equal opportunity and as I said before, I worked with a girl on day stock who could have worked circles around anyone on the night stock crew.

But, that said and this would include the girl who was great at putting up stock.

When it came to unloading a truck, pulling out a heavy cart, climbing a ladder, climbing up on an overhead rack to get backstock down, etc.

No, I don't have to do that.

That's what the guys are here for.
And what offends me as a female is guys who think all girls are like that. When I was at Target, there were male coworkers who would come running over to me if they saw me lifting something heavy. They said they didn't want me to hurt myself but unless it was an item that needed a team lift, I could lift it myself. I just wish guys would wait until I ask for the help. I was one girl who wasn't afraid of a little heavy lifting. Granted, I never threw the truck, but I did just about everything else.
There were even times when I had to lift furniture that was a team lift without help. Well, I didn't lift it. I picked up one end and dragged it on the floor and found a way to get it on the shelf.
 
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I still get mad when I think back on the female ETL that told me I needed to hurry up and finish the project I'm in the middle of to make a bale because "You're the only guy here." I went off on her in the middle of the sales floor telling her how sexist of a comment that was, and wondered why her 4 person team of women who filled the baler couldn't do it.

Of course, I had already gotten with the 50+ year old woman in the backroom and we were already planning to make a bale together since I knew they were worthless, and if I didn't get it done I would just be screwing over the flow TL the next morning.
 
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I am a middle age woman. I have been with Target close to 10 years. The TM's they hire, first are usually about half my age, most are deathly afraid of heights. I can do and usually do, almost anything in the store, and it is so sad, to watch the tm's and tl's, that will climb up the first two steps of a ladder, if they cannot reach it, they look at me, and say can you please. I have finally started walking out, or just saying no. You need to learn. If you cannot perform the core roles for "YOUR" job, then guess what. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT JOB! I stand on the rungs on the wave and pretty much dangle from it sometimes getting stuff down or up. I don't have any problem standing on the top step of the ladder, I do it all the time. That is when the TL's need to step up and do their jobs. I used to jump up and say let me do it. We don't have the time for me to do your job anymore.
Sorry but those are no-nos. You should never stand on the top step of a ladder, and you should definitely not "dangle" from the wave. Way to drive safety in your store. Not.
 
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And what offends me as a female is guys who think all girls are like that. When I was at Target, there were male coworkers who would come running over to me if they saw me lifting something heavy. They said they didn't want me to hurt myself but unless it was an item that needed a team lift, I could lift it myself. I just wish guys would wait until I ask for the help. I was one girl who wasn't afraid of a little heavy lifting. Granted, I never threw the truck, but I did just about everything else.
There were even times when I had to lift furniture that was a team lift without help. Well, I didn't lift it. I picked up one end and dragged it on the floor and found a way to get it on the shelf.

I get what you’re saying, but at the same time, you should be grateful they were willing to help.

I was working overnight stock at a grocery store, all guys and with the exception of me and the stock manager, all just out of high school.

Every other night we’d get a perishable truck.

Someone from the stock crew would unload the truck and put the freight in the coolers.

About 4 AM one person from each department would come in to work their part of the perishable truck.

The woman who worked dairy was young, probably weighed about 110 soaking wet and was a single mother just trying to survive.

She was a cashier who transferred to grocery because it paid more.

I’m six feet tall, I weigh about 230, I’ve mowed yards, I’ve worked construction, I've worked security and I can throw some freight but even I had trouble moving some of the dairy carts because the wheels on them didn’t work right.

The rest of the guys on the stock crew not only wouldn’t do anything to help her, but they would intentionally wedge the dairy carts in the cooler so she wouldn’t be able to get them out.

One morning, it was all I could do to get the carts out of the cooler and that was WITH her helping me.

I then went and found the jackass clown who had wedged them in there like that in the first place and had a little “chat.”
 
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I still get mad when I think back on the female ETL that told me I needed to hurry up and finish the project I'm in the middle of to make a bale because "You're the only guy here." I went off on her in the middle of the sales floor telling her how sexist of a comment that was, and wondered why her 4 person team of women who filled the baler couldn't do it.

Of course, I had already gotten with the 50+ year old woman in the backroom and we were already planning to make a bale together since I knew they were worthless, and if I didn't get it done I would just be screwing over the flow TL the next morning.
I once made a bale with a 70+ year old guy who was supposed to be a courtesy clerk because the stock crew, which was all guys, had filled the baler to the top and then went home.
 
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Sorry but those are no-nos. You should never stand on the top step of a ladder, and you should definitely not "dangle" from the wave. Way to drive safety in your store. Not.
There's "safety" and there's getting the job done.

Somewhere in the middle, you have to find a balance.

I've never "dangled from a wave."

I don't even know what you all are talking about.

I have however stood on the top step of a ladder.

You see, I had to get on the top step of the ladder in order to be high enough to climb up on and then walk around on the shelf where we kept the cereal back stock.

We got back down from there by grabbing ahold of one of the rafters, lowering ourselves as far as we could and then dropping to the floor.

I'm sure not OSHA approved, but it worked.
 

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I dangle over the edge of the WAVe all the time. In signing it's practically a job requirement. And have you ever been in the backroom, trying to wrestling one of the freezer/fridges from the top of the bulk racking onto the shelf of the WAVe? There's some dangling and near-death involved. Everyone who uses the wave on a regular basis knows this.
 
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I get what you’re saying, but at the same time, you should be grateful they were willing to help.
Yes, I hope you wrote a letter to corporate to thank them for making sure that the backroom is staffed with big strong men to help you. Then you should have straightened your apron, batted your pretty blue eyes and made some cookies for them, too. Silly, silly you for being offended that someone should think you are incapable of doing your job or asking for help when it is needed.
 

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I dangle over the edge of the WAVe all the time. In signing it's practically a job requirement. And have you ever been in the backroom, trying to wrestling one of the freezer/fridges from the top of the bulk racking onto the shelf of the WAVe? There's some dangling and near-death involved. Everyone who uses the wave on a regular basis knows this.
This!
 
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I dangle over the edge of the WAVe all the time. In signing it's practically a job requirement. And have you ever been in the backroom, trying to wrestling one of the freezer/fridges from the top of the bulk racking onto the shelf of the WAVe? There's some dangling and near-death involved. Everyone who uses the wave on a regular basis knows this.
Yep. Its not like this is a secret. Its kind of like Team Lift items when you have a BR staff of one. Is anybody really calling the few TMs elswhere in the store and then waiting for help every 5 min when they have to lift something with that sticker?
 
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I love being being in the backroom!! I love my man crew, but I also love that my TL and I are rockstars and can do everything just as good as them!!!
 

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My mom was a volunteer firefighter and paramedic.
She was also a single mom with three boys and ran a truck farm.
One day she was at a feed lot buying a pure bred Nubian goat and the man behind the counter said "That's and expensive piece of stock, your husband paid well for it."
My mom held up her calloused hands and replied "I work for my money."
Then she threw three seventy pound hay bales in the back of the pick up.

I always ask people if they need a hand when it looks like they're struggling male or female.
But my mom pretty much weaned me from assuming women can't handle hard work.
 
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Currently we have one dayside BR TM & none overnights. I work BR overnights & so do two other girls when the need arises. With me it's almost every night I'm there. Helps to know flow & BR. As to the other comments, heights don't bother me. I will not use the top step of the ladder. I'll ask one of the taller guys to get it for me or if it's a heaver box I'm afraid I might drop as I'm coming down the ladder. I've fussed at the guys for climbing the steals rather than using ladders. I'm very safety conscious.
 
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Yes, I hope you wrote a letter to corporate to thank them for making sure that the backroom is staffed with big strong men to help you. Then you should have straightened your apron, batted your pretty blue eyes and made some cookies for them, too. Silly, silly you for being offended that someone should think you are incapable of doing your job or asking for help when it is needed.
I don't think the forum software will let me say what I'd like to say to you and I'm hoping that perhaps we are just misunderstanding one another and so I'm going to try again.

Although, to be honest, I'm utterly at a loss as to what your point is?

I'm all for equality in the workplace, but it's commonsense that a 230 pound man can perform physical tasks that a 110 pound woman can't.

For that matter, a 230 pound man can do things a 140 pound man can't.

It all comes back to the whole, we're supposed to be a team and we're supposed to be working together thing, which was the point of my earlier post.

As for the general tone of your post...

I think you might want to work on your reading comprehension skills.

I've never written a "letter to corporate" in my life, nor have I ever owned let alone worn an apron.

I'm a MALE, which I thought I made pretty clear in my earlier post.

I'm six foot tall, weigh somewhere around 230 and I'm perfectly capable of moving or lifting something by myself.

Oh and my eyes are brown, but I CAN make you some damned good cookies. Homemade, from scratch.
 
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I don't think the forum software will let me say what I'd like to say to you and I'm hoping that perhaps we are just misunderstanding one another and so I'm going to try again.

Although, to be honest, I'm utterly at a loss as to what your point is?

I'm all for equality in the workplace, but it's commonsense that a 230 pound man can perform physical tasks that a 110 pound woman can't.

For that matter, a 230 pound man can do things a 140 pound man can't.

It all comes back to the whole, we're supposed to be a team and we're supposed to be working together thing, which was the point of my earlier post.

As for the general tone of your post...

I think you might want to work on your reading comprehension skills.

I've never written a "letter to corporate" in my life, nor have I ever owned let alone worn an apron.

I'm a MALE, which I thought I made pretty clear in my earlier post.

I'm six foot tall, weigh somewhere around 230 and I'm perfectly capable of moving or lifting something by myself.

Oh and my eyes are brown, but I CAN make you some damned good cookies. Homemade, from scratch.
Rarejem was referring to me, not you. Maybe if I were 110 pounds, there would be some things that I couldn't do but I'm not that small. I know when things are a little too heavy for me or for any one person and have asked for help when needed. I have also offered help to others when I saw them struggling and always respected their acceptance or denial of my offer.
As for people climbing the shelves in the backroom, it's a good way to get fired (or hurt). The ladders at my store were bad because they had bent steps or they shook as you climbed them, but store leadership and the SFT were good about getting them fixed. Those ladders were still the cause of one or two panic attacks simply because of the two inches of clearance on each side in a light duty aisle...and that's when there are no boxes hanging over the edges of the shelves.
 
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Yes, I was referring to lac704 and I did get the point of SouthernThunder's post. I took exception to the "be grateful" remark.

Sorry - Yes, I was being facetious with regard to ST's statement that women should be grateful that the men in the backroom are gracious enough to offer to help. I am a middle aged (if I live well past 100) tiny woman that does all of the repair work at my home, fixes my own car, has thrown the truck, works in the backroom and takes care of a disabled kid that is bigger than I am. I know when to ask for help and get ticked off when people assume that because of my gender and size that I am incapable of doing a job that I have accepted knowing what the requirements are. Perhaps I am a bit too sensitive with regard to the topic, but it is an attitude that I encounter frequently. I do not consider my gender to be a factor in what I can or cannot do nor do I make assumptions as to what others can or cannot do based on their gender, age or size. Observation and experience are considerations that I think are most useful. That being said, I will take those cookies. Some of the best cooks and bakers that I know are men. I have a strong liking for chocolate.

I comprehend quite well. I understand that stronger people can lift and carry bigger and heavier items and that weaker people cannot do this. I understand that we are One Team with One Strategy, etc. and that helping one another is not only kind, but oftentimes necessary. Condescension and mysogyny are not.
 
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How many girls are Backroom TMs in your store?

When I was hired, it was just me and my TL. Then we brought on 2 more over the last few months.... the TL doesn't want any more. Is it really such a male dominated position everywhere?
When I was a team lead in the backroom, I wanted ANYONE who was a worker, male or female. At the six stores I have worked at over my 12 years, I would say that the backroom IS male-dominated. My wild guess would be 85% male vs 15% female. We have two female backroom team members (out of 12) at my current store. That's pretty typical.
 
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i don't consider gender to be a factor in what i can or can't do either... i'm just a wuss :crazy:

when i was younger, i use to unload trucks for a living during school, and i could hold my own against any guy there. there's a difference in taking on a workload you can handle and one you can't.
today i asked for help with shoe transition which was stock on the tippy top and only accessible by ladder. the only thing i could do to get it down was push it off the shelf. i didn't want to damage it, so i called a backroom tm to help me. so he got up the ladder, picked up the box easy as pie, and... threw it to the floor, crushing the boxes inside. :beat:

our brtl is female, we have 3 brtm that are female officially, and around 10 more that help out from flow. the last couple of years, we've hired tons of females for flow, which is required before going to backroom. most of them quit or choose to stay on flow so they don't have to work weekends.
 
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None but there are a bunch of female instocks, pricing, and flow teams that do work that backroom TMs do.
Ok doing a POG/RSCH pull is one thing, but when do these people ever backstock 3 pallets of Chemi's case stock, let alone in the same time a seasoned male backroom TM can? Sorry but this is a pretty unavoidable fact that those guys can do it quicker.
 
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Yes, I was referring to lac704 and I did get the point of SouthernThunder's post. I took exception to the "be grateful" remark.

Sorry - Yes, I was being facetious with regard to ST's statement that women should be grateful that the men in the backroom are gracious enough to offer to help. I am a middle aged (if I live well past 100) tiny woman that does all of the repair work at my home, fixes my own car, has thrown the truck, works in the backroom and takes care of a disabled kid that is bigger than I am. I know when to ask for help and get ticked off when people assume that because of my gender and size that I am incapable of doing a job that I have accepted knowing what the requirements are. Perhaps I am a bit too sensitive with regard to the topic, but it is an attitude that I encounter frequently. I do not consider my gender to be a factor in what I can or cannot do nor do I make assumptions as to what others can or cannot do based on their gender, age or size. Observation and experience are considerations that I think are most useful. That being said, I will take those cookies. Some of the best cooks and bakers that I know are men. I have a strong liking for chocolate.

I comprehend quite well. I understand that stronger people can lift and carry bigger and heavier items and that weaker people cannot do this. I understand that we are One Team with One Strategy, etc. and that helping one another is not only kind, but oftentimes necessary. Condescension and mysogyny are not.
Well, I think you largely missed my point.

I wasn't at all being condescending or misognyist.

Quite the contrary.

I was saying you should be grateful if you work with men who are willing to help you because I've worked with men who not only wouldn't do anything to help a female team member but would go out of their way to make things harder for her and flat out told me that's what they were doing.
 
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As for people climbing the shelves in the backroom, it's a good way to get fired (or hurt).
Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily recommend climbing the shelves.

Just like I wouldn't recommend riding an electric jack off of the truck.

BUT, they both have the benefit of expediting the process.
 
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