wages

[Ashfromoldsite]

Someone that has been with target for 10 years should be paid the same as someone hired last year doing the same job?

No they’re saying a 16 year old and a 40 year old are doing the same job. So should get same pay.

 

[commiecorvus]

Someone that has been with target for 10 years should be paid the same as someone hired last year doing the same job?

Of course not, which is why they should pay the new hires a living wage.
At least $20hr in high cost areas and $15 in lower cost areas.
Then pay the people who have worked there for 10 years (or any years) a commensurately increased wage of at least 2 dollars for every year.
Add a COLA every year and we would be off to a good start.
That would still be less than most of the people are worth but it would be close to a fair.
And for anyone saying what about the ETL's since some people would be earning more than they are...
I really don't give a fuck.

 

[jackandcat]

Target's most recent announcement: in some high-demand labor markets, the minimum wage is increasing, in some cities as high as $24/hour.CBS News - Target increases its minimum wage

 

[Dream Baby]

Of course not, which is why they should pay the new hires a living wage.
At least $20hr in high cost areas and $15 in lower cost areas.
Then pay the people who have worked there for 10 years (or any years) a commensurately increased wage of at least 2 dollars for every year.
Add a COLA every year and we would be off to a good start.
That would still be less than most of the people are worth but it would be close to a fair.
And for anyone saying what about the ETL's since some people would be earning more than they are...
I really don't give a fuck.

Good point on ETLs.

I have never seen a TL become an ETL because they become salary.

TLs can do math apparently!

 

[Dream Baby]

No they’re saying a 16 year old and a 40 year old are doing the same job. So should get same pay.

However the 40 year old might do it much more efficient and/or better.

Target ignores this.

I also think older workers put up with less BS which is a factor.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

However the 40 year old might do it much more efficient and/or better.

Target ignores this.

I also think older workers put up with less BS which is a factor.

I’m 50. I worked circles around the young kids in my store.

 

[FlowTeamChick]

I’m 50. I worked circles around the young kids in my store.

Older than you and same. That's not to say all the *youngsters* are slackers - they're not. But I do seem to notice more talking & less working being dependent on age. Also, things like clocking in and then taking their time to hang up their coat, put stuff in a locker, etc. with the reverse happening at end of shift and taking 20-minute breaks, consistently, instead of 15. Whatever, but they should be glad I'm not their boss. ;-) I tend to operate under the "give them an inch, they'll take a mile" philosophy.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

Older than you and same. That's not to say all the *youngsters* are slackers - they're not. But I do seem to notice more talking & less working being dependent on age. Also, things like clocking in and then taking their time to hang up their coat, put stuff in a locker, etc. with the reverse happening at end of shift and taking 20-minute breaks, consistently, instead of 15. Whatever, but they should be glad I'm not their boss. ;-) I tend to operate under the "give them an inch, they'll take a mile" philosophy.

Cell phone usage on the sales floor was a huge issue.

 

[DC Diva]

No they’re saying a 16 year old and a 40 year old are doing the same job. So should get same pay.

I would place a bet that the 40 yr old comes to work, stays at work, and generally gets the job done, while the 16 yr old arrives late, calls in (especially for fri or sat evening shifts), and has probably had the worst luck with COVID symptoms this past couple of years thus taking multiple “testing” leaves. But if it’s the other way around, then pay should always reflect seniority and performance. A 40 yr old with these issues probably has a sketch work history, which would have come out, if Target actually looked at the application and interviewed rather than basing hiring rather than the “honest” answers to a questionaire. Which from the DC side, rarely paint a true picture of abilities.

 

[Dream Baby]

Cell phone usage on the sales floor was a huge issue.

In my store all the TLs use their cell phones on the floor.

 

[happygoth]

In my store all the TLs use their cell phones on the floor.

Ditto my store, cell phone use is rampant across the board. Guest Services and Drive up folks leaning on the counter scrolling, GM and Tech with earbuds, Style and TLs answering personal calls in the middle of the salesfloor, AP watching stuff on their phone with front end TMs - zero fucks given.

 

[Rarejem]

Ditto my store, cell phone use is rampant across the board. Guest Services and Drive up folks leaning on the counter scrolling, GM and Tech with earbuds, Style and TLs answering personal calls in the middle of the salesfloor, AP watching stuff on their phone with front end TMs - zero fucks given.

I use my phone at the lanes and GS because the myDevice Target app for search is less reliable, slower, loses the network frequently, and I can teach guests how to use Circle and Wallet using my own account as an example of how to do it.

 

[BurgerBob]

I use my phone at the lanes and GS because the myDevice Target app for search is less reliable, slower, loses the network frequently, and I can teach guests how to use Circle and Wallet using my own account as an example of how to do it.

Yup i would the same. Plus the app does better human language searching so i can pull up the dpci.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

In my store all the TLs use their cell phones on the floor.

Not talking about tls

 

[happygoth]

I use my phone at the lanes and GS because the myDevice Target app for search is less reliable, slower, loses the network frequently, and I can teach guests how to use Circle and Wallet using my own account as an example of how to do it.

I use my phone all the time too, although I have noticed that the MyDay search is much improved lately.

 

[MrT]

Pay more and attract more and better workers, provide better and more benefits, and provide a more stable income. Target has started and done some of these and started a trend with other companies but has fallen behind. Do that and you won't be desperate for any body you can hire and get rid of the bad and try and keep the good.

 

[Dream Baby]

Pay more and attract more and better workers, provide better and more benefits, and provide a more stable income. Target has started and done some of these and started a trend with other companies but has fallen behind. Do that and you won't be desperate for any body you can hire and get rid of the bad and try and keep the good.

Target still thinks $15 an hour is much more than everyone else.

 

[FlowTeamChick]

I use my phone at the lanes and GS because the myDevice Target app for search is less reliable, slower, loses the network frequently, and I can teach guests how to use Circle and Wallet using my own account as an example of how to do it.

cell phone use is rampant across the board. Guest Services and Drive up folks leaning on the counter scrolling, GM and Tech with earbuds, Style and TLs answering personal calls in the middle of the salesfloor, AP watching stuff on their phone with front end TMs

These are not the same. What @Rarejem talks about seems legit to me. What @happygoth talks about is some of what I see at my store, although not so much, and seems wrong - not working, not assisting guests, wasting time. If they have so much time to play around on their phones, they could come zone my area for me.

 

[KarmaToBurn]

So i’ve worked at target for 11 yrs, next month will make it 12 yrs. I’m part of the inbound team we use to be the flow team. i work in receiving during the truck unload as a sorter. over the years ive worked really hard. i’ve had tremendous back pain with all the heavy lifting. my problem is how am i only making $15 which is minimum wage that’s the same amount a new team member would make just starting at target? How is that even fair ive invested over a decade of time into this company to only be making minimum wage. I can’t stress enough how this makes no sense can someone please give me some feedback.

I'm hitting 11 years in a few months as RCV / RevLog TM and in the same boat. Though after my return from vacation I'm showing pictures and requesting at least $3 more an hour at review... because, damn these leaders are stupid and can't do shit without me....

 

[commiecorvus]

 

[Frontlanegirl]

In my store all the TLs use their cell phones on the floor.

TL’s, ETL’s, SD.

 

[60SecondsRemaining]

TLDR:

They are doing the same job, why would they not get the same pay?

Target has a pay by position structure with merit based increases. The pay range is tied to the position, not the person. That means if you want to earn more, then you have to do more. Better performance = more pay. Performance/merit based pay structures are great, until you come into a period of time where inflation outpaces wages and you end up where you are now, which is at square one.

Most of the world works on position/merit based pay so if you want to earn more based on time in position you had better find yourself a union job.

Unions in general are a powerful thing, but in retail, specifically in big box retail, there's zero chance it ever happens. Someone may feed you some bullshit feel-good story about how you can organize and work together but corporations hold the cards. They have billions of dollars, thousands of locations, and nigh infinite overhead. Unless by some miracle every employee ever unionized at once, they'd simply close the store and be done with it.

 

[Tacopie]

TLDR:

They are doing the same job, why would they not get the same pay?

Target has a pay by position structure with merit based increases. The pay range is tied to the position, not the person. That means if you want to earn more, then you have to do more. Better performance = more pay. Performance/merit based pay structures are great, until you come into a period of time where inflation outpaces wages and you end up where you are now, which is at square one.

Most of the world works on position/merit based pay so if you want to earn more based on time in position you had better find yourself a union job.

Unions in general are a powerful thing, but in retail, specifically in big box retail, there's zero chance it ever happens. Someone may feed you some bullshit feel-good story about how you can organize and work together but corporations hold the cards. They have billions of dollars, thousands of locations, and nigh infinite overhead. Unless by some miracle every employee ever unionized at once, they'd simply close the store and be done with it.

Better friends= more pay. It has nothing to do with hard work.
It really makes me sad. I am older and think about the younger TM’s. I mean they are being taught that the fake one that butters up to the bosses and Hr Are the ones being put through To higher positions and given higher pay raises. Oh and don’t forget the outside friends that magicly get these jobs that are not even posted.

 

[60SecondsRemaining]

Better friends= more pay. It has nothing to do with hard work.
It really makes me sad. I am older and think about the younger TM’s. I mean they are being taught that the fake one that butters up to the bosses and Hr Are the ones being put through To higher positions and given higher pay raises. Oh and don’t forget the outside friends that magicly get these jobs that are not even posted.

Except that's how the world works.

It's not what you know it's who you know. This isn't exclusive to Target, nepotism is a human condition.

(not to say it's the right thing - but it is the reality)

 

[KarmaToBurn]

TLDR:

They are doing the same job, why would they not get the same pay?

Target has a pay by position structure with merit based increases. The pay range is tied to the position, not the person. That means if you want to earn more, then you have to do more. Better performance = more pay. Performance/merit based pay structures are great, until you come into a period of time where inflation outpaces wages and you end up where you are now, which is at square one.

Most of the world works on position/merit based pay so if you want to earn more based on time in position you had better find yourself a union job.

Unions in general are a powerful thing, but in retail, specifically in big box retail, there's zero chance it ever happens. Someone may feed you some bullshit feel-good story about how you can organize and work together but corporations hold the cards. They have billions of dollars, thousands of locations, and nigh infinite overhead. Unless by some miracle every employee ever unionized at once, they'd simply close the store and be done with it.

Well since my original title was as a specialist and did pay more than the average employee, and I like most people in the RCV / RevLog position essentially do as much work as a TL except for actually having a team (since vendors don't count) and as far as metrics go mone have always been high green to the point that I had an ETL lie and claim I was tardy consistently, which is complete shit since I have never been late a day in my career at Target and can prove it with punch records and camera footage. And yes, I did contest it with corporate who said "This is a store issue" and sent it back to my STL who blew it off and kept stealing from the safe until he got caught. So, no... at my store pay is not merit based and all we're saying is if you're raising the minimum pay from $12 to $15 those that have been with the company for a long time should get an increase of $3 to account for their previous increases. Oh and if they don't actually give you a review you only get the minimum increase. I found this out after I got my first review in year 5... just sayin'