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pellinore

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OK....I understand the paygrade listings. Maybe the question I'm asking isn't what I'm asking. I mean, if the paygrade is n01....what is the hourly pay rate that goes with this paygrade?

Also, I'm seeing the word "base" plus......is base the state minimum wage?

The kind of answers I'm looking for is something like this....

N01 = 7.00 to 9.50
N02 = 9.25 to 10.25
N03 = 10.00 to 11.50

Is this sort of information available? Am I missing finding this here in TBR? Or....is this specific information not available to most of us?

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Paygrade starts at N03. Cashiers, Sales Floor, etc.
Then it moves to N05.
N07.
N09.
etc. I think up to N17 for hourly Sr. TL jobs, but don't quote me.

N03 in one store can be a different pay rate than a store in the next city, county, state, etc. Base refers to what the paygrade starts at. Due to my merit increases (yearly), I left the company as a N07, at base + 2.30.
 

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Just to add, paygrades start at N03 and increase by 2. N03 --> N05 --> N07 and so on. The highest hourly paygrade in the stores is N17 which is going to be SrTL.

I had read somewhere before that ETLs and above had the even paygrades, but I'm not so sure that is true because I know one of my ETLs just went for a paygrade 13 interview. I also think their paygrades might be coded as "E," but then again, I don't know much about the exec paygrade structure. All I really know is that they get paid more than me! But in reality many of the new ones are making roughly the same per hour as SrTLs, but they take home more than Seniors because they're supposed to work more than 40.
 
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I know that paygrades at Corporate level start at N06 for hourly positions. Compared to a store however, the scale at which pay goes up is drastically higher with single level increments. There are even some hourly N09 - N12 positions that give you Exec status.
 

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OK....I've gotten my answer.....


While there are lots of pay grades there is not a standard for hourly pay rates. So, what good does it do to know your pay grade if there is no way to know what the hourly pay is?

I get it that each pay grade gets "higher" with each level....but without an hourly rate the pay grade scale isn't helpful at all.

So, all I know is that as a cashier the pay grade is N03.
How do I "learn" if I'm at the top of my pay grade? It appears that I can't get that answered. So in trying to apply for another position I won't know what my pay rate will be until they offer me that position?

It seems pretty unfair that, as an employee of a company, I cannot find the information of a pay scale....or even a range of pay.

While TM #1 gets pay grade N03 and TM#2 gets pay grade N05, I have no idea what either TM could be earning. Why then do we even have pay grades if no one knows what the hourly pay is?

The only piece of information we know is that anyone getting hired in must be getting the national/state minimum wage.

A TL at Target and a newly hired (inexperienced) TL can both be making the same amount....right?

I can see why a company doesn't want employees talking about hourly wages.....especially when there is no rhyme or reason to each pay grade!
 
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If you are at the top of your pay grade, you can get capped out. But, one way around it is, by doing other workcenters.
 
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There aren't many jobs that individual employee's pay is posted for all to share. Knowing your paygrade should give you an idea of where your pay begins and how it progresses if you never move into another job within the company. I have moved from various paygrades during my years with Target. I know that there is a base difference of (.25/hour). That means that I will gain or lose that amount if I change paygrades. The paygrade itself establishes your base pay and rate at which you accrue time off. Since your review and whether or not your salary is capped will determine annual pay increases there is no way to determine what each person earns or will earn unless you read their reviews. I have actually negotiated pay increases based on conversations with STL, ETL, and DTL. I have received non-review time pay increases based on theses discussions. So, the answer to your question about whether new and "inexperienced" TL's can be making the same amount is "YES". It's not really your business. What is your business is maximizing your own earning potential by making sure that your supervisors know that you are the better employee.
 

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How do you know if you are "capped out" if there's no type of pay rate?
 

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There are company's and businesses who do provide employee pay rate is available for the public to see. The best example that I can provide at the moment is teacher's pay. Districts provide the "starting salary" rate and then based on years of experience as well as the continuing education level that teachers have.
For example: first year teacher = $10,000.
second year teacher = $12,000.

when the education level is added then there is additional salary....six year teacher + eight hours of continuing education....which, as per my example would be $20,000 + $500 per hour of education.....per my example is: $20,000 + $4,000.....full pay is $24,000.

Perhaps the education field is different because teacher's are being paid with public money.

I don't know, it just seems to me that there should be some general guidelines as to what a pay grade hourly salary ought to be.
I realize that the cost of living and each state may vary its own pay, but it seems to me that a pay grade should have a "base pay" and pay range.

Again, how do I know if I am capped out for my pay grade? Is it just an arbitrary number...or is there an actual range?
 

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There are company's and businesses who do provide employee pay rate is available for the public to see. The best example that I can provide at the moment is teacher's pay. Districts provide the "starting salary" rate and then based on years of experience as well as the continuing education level that teachers have.
For example: first year teacher = $10,000.
second year teacher = $12,000.

when the education level is added then there is additional salary....six year teacher + eight hours of continuing education....which, as per my example would be $20,000 + $500 per hour of education.....per my example is: $20,000 + $4,000.....full pay is $24,000.

Perhaps the education field is different because teacher's are being paid with public money.

I don't know, it just seems to me that there should be some general guidelines as to what a pay grade hourly salary ought to be.
I realize that the cost of living and each state may vary its own pay, but it seems to me that a pay grade should have a "base pay" and pay range.

Again, how do I know if I am capped out for my pay grade? Is it just an arbitrary number...or is there an actual range?

Welcome to the joy of being a public service employee.
As a teacher or any other state or federal employee people can know what you make down to the penny and bitch at you for every bit of it.
With private jobs the corporations can lie about what they are actually paying people and get away with it.
 

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Thanks Commie!
 

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You'll know you're capped when you don't get a raise during your annual review if you aren't rated O or Ex. Or you could probably just ask your ETL-HR or HRTM. They have this info. It just depends if they're willing to share or not. They're not going to tell you anyone's hourly rate, but they'd be able to tell you how much you'd get going from one paygrade to another.
 
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This is The Great Secret. I didn't know I was capped until I got my review. I was pretty ticked off. Now I just tell my TL that it really doesn't matter how hard I work if I meet the standards of everyone else's work since there is absolutely no financial benefit for me. Of course, that goes against my own personal integrity standard and they know it, but it really seems counterproductive to have employees that both love their job and do it well and then tell them that unless they do something else they won't be rewarded.
 

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At my store, we have a yearly one-on-one meeting with a random ETL in which they go over our current hourly rate and where we stand on the payscale for our paygrade. Supposedly the state requires that we have those meetings, but who knows.
 
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Someone's got to be able to tell you what your starting pay is for cashiers. Go from there, because cashiers are the bottom of the totem pole.

For example, and I'm going to use old numbers because 1. I don't want to give a hint to my loc and 2. I don't have a slightest clue to the new numbers since our start rate has gone up a few times... but 2 years ago when I was working my way through different work centers I know the following were the wages:

Cashier/guest service/cart attendant/sales floor- 7.25
Photo/brand specialist (cosmetics, etc)/GSA- 7.50
Starbucks- 7.75
Pharmacy tech- 10.25
Pharmacy tech certified- 11.25

Have you asked your HR TM or HR ETL to help you understand it?
 
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Does anyone know the minimum base rate for each level? Just curious roughly what it is. what's the minimum a team lead makes?
 

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Here's what it is for my store. I assume it's going to be very similar for other stores where N3 is $9.00, but maybe there are other stores in areas with a higher cost of living that still start at $9.00 and there is a bigger difference between each paygrade. My area is a fairly low cost of living compared to the national average.
N3 - $9.00
N5 - $9.25
N7 - $9.50
N9- $10.00
N11-$12.25
N13-$13.00
N15- Only 1 person at my store and I don't have her pay info, but should be $14.00
N17-$14.75

There are a ton of TMs at N3 and N7, so I was able to get approximate maximums of $11.00-$11.25 for N3 and $13.25 for N7.

Feel free to delete this post if you guys think this is too much information and shouldn't be shared.
 
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