MEGATHREAD Signing Tips, Tricks and Quips (along with howls of despair)

Yeah my BG and bb wall is 36 but I got signs for 32, my intimates is split so I just made them even.....no one will ever know is the sad thing lol same for jewelry I miscounted. I'll probably go back and fix it just frustrated
 
Set mens low walls, shoes, intimates, hosiery & entertainment low walls today. Could have done more, but I took time to dust the valances (they were growing dustcicles) I think I'm in a groove.. LOL!

I set goals for myself. Tomorrow, I intend to do Sporting good low walls, Toys high&low walls, Kodak center , and TVS. If I get that done, I'm starting on the low wall in bedding & Furniture.. I'm leaving most of my sl & exterior high walls for last. They seem to be the easiest for me and I can do a set of 5 in about an 1.5 hour, so I can do those when I have a bit of extra time here and there after EAster next week.


Tip for any newbies;

I've been short swoosh panels, and in other kits, I've been given extra. Save those extras!

Make sure you lower your Mens C9 valances low enough under the new graphics so they can be removed when their time is up. (they have to flip upwards to get the bracket out)

Don't blindly go by directions on placement. Example; My hosiery butts up to intimates. If I went by their instrutions, I would have 4 swoosh panels in a row. Rearrange the panels so it looks good together (without bleeding over). Shoes was the same. I centered the photo panels, then added the swoosh panels around them.
 
We have one of those "old small stores" someone mentioned prior and it is taking us a hella long time to put them out, even with 2 people. According to the CSE scheduling thing, our stuff arrived a week after every date listed so we're pushing out-by's forward a weekish. At the bottom of one guide it says 'Make sure everything is set by March 1' .. It took 2 people 7 hours to get Performance, Intimates, Jewelry, and BBBG Basics low-walls out, still with another 7 hours tomorrow likely to bust out the rest of BBBG, figure out end walls, figure what on God's green earth RTW low-walls are, and then sort the hella-huge hardlines box. We have a generic red-logo pattern foam board (A and B style) design for all low walls around RTW and are not particularly excited about building uppers and lowers for all of those. Incidentally, we had just ordered like $150 worth of replacement red foam boards to replace some faded ones, so hopefully that wasn't a complete waste.

We've decided to skip the xmas clips on low walls because it is super hard for me to push them in, and everyone else is too short. My hand strength fails after 2-3 boards, and the boards are tight enough between the tops and bottoms I'm not sure how they could possibly become dislodged. We could always go back and press them in whenever they change again, if it turns out we really needed them.

The depth of the overall design looks a lot more superficial to me.. there's no longer a sense of depth, it's just a flat surface which I'm not sure is better. I like the inexpensive-ness of the design, though, where all we would need to swap out is essentially a large sheet of printed paper instead of miles of awkwardly-heavy-and-connected foam boards or super-heavy superwide wobbly plastic with special recycling awkwardness.

I've put some of the older signing flat on the ground nearby, and had several guests just run right over them with carts and all, completely oblivious as they shop. One of them ran over the signing on the floor with the handicapped beeper wagon, and then while pausing mid shopping while over the top of it, looked down and saw it and gave me a worried look, but it was the old stuff so no worries. But seriously wtf =P
 
Where you have red logo board in RTW now is where your new RTW low wall signing will be going. Sorry!!

Guests are a hoot huh?

I'm up in the Wav, struggling to hang a high wall sign, and guests are still yelling up at me to check the price of so and so for them.

I'm by myself on this set, so I'm bringing a trash cage along with me to toss all these old signs in. Acts as a good aisle blocker to prevent guests from running into the Wav too. May not be brand, but its safe.
 
That is not what I wanted to hear TOT =P So the RTW low walls hang? Our standards don't go that high.

What shape of falconboard goes in place of the red logo boards? Either way we weren't sent enough of both kinds we have left to go all the way around..
 
Completed 38 sections of low walls, 2 kodak hanging signs, 5 TV hanging signs, removed all the Valentines overheads, plus some remerchandising of the Furniture wall to accommodate the new graphics.

Tell ya, doing the low walls in assembly line fashion is the way to go...

I have 15-69" high wall kits left to finish. Any tips for getting it done quicker would be appreciated!! Like, do you really think a helper is essential?
 
Check your message boards guys!! Apparently the CSE set is on hold!!! Hopefully I'm not the only thrilled about this hold. The message board says "CSE and low walls" are on hold. So does that include high walls as well? Or just low walls?

And thank goodness, too.

From reading this thread I've seen some of us have had varying levels of success with this project, however, overall this project is an unmitigated disaster.

Let's look at the issues.

First of all the size of the project is huge. Every department has CSE signing that needs to come down, be recycled or baled, and new signing hung in its place. And not all of this signing can be pre-built in the backroom: much of it has to be built "in place", one step at a time, over-and-over, left to right. The scope of this project was not at all considered by whomever designed it. Live stores have guests, live stores have product on the shelves, live stores might only have 1 WAVE and live stores are not supposed to use a WAVE on the salesfloor when open meaning 1 person has to climb a ladder over and over and over like an athlete for hours on end holding onto signage that is three times the size of the person hanging it.

Second, the contractors who made the equipment did a terrible job. How many of the dart clip holes have been drilled to the correct size? Every single top piece I have encountered has the dart clips holes on the top left side drilled too large so all the dart clips fall out. Next, the signage does not actually fit these frames were assembling; some do, but most bow out and there is not enough tolerance to seamlessly fit each sign next to another. On top of that, the CSE graphics are bright and bold, but the backer with the swoosh is a dulled, cream color that is not only bland but contrasts terribly with the bright colors of the CSE. The overall effect is that our own signs look worse together. A high school art student could have easily spotted the color scheme as being a bad choice.

Third, the amount of pieces and parts is overwhelming. We've gone from sticky backed clips (at my store, at least) and two hooks, to: 1 top piece, 1 bottom piece, 1 'falcon board', 8 X-Mas tree clips, 7 dart clips, 3 H-Clips, 2 connector tabs, and the previous 2 hooks. That's 25 pieces. And there are 4 different styles of 'falcon board', and different top pieces, too. Putting aside trying to remember where we kept all the part numbers (of which are not printed on the terrible instructions), but try ordering this stuff in SAP. A new signing specialist will never know to type in 'falcon board' and good luck with any other search for, let's say, the H-Clip.

And piggy-backing off point three: the logistics of getting us all these parts. Whose backroom is drowning in 6 foot pallets? After a morning of getting everything unpacked (and how nice they put all 4 different top and bottom pieces in the same box all jumbled together), I now am taking up 2 entire speed racks - speed racks we were saving for the Lawn and Garden set next week. Which reminds me, we have to build all those displays for next week when they come in this week but only after we get mini-seasonal all set with the Easter signing. Not to mention we start our day doing ad signing by checking message boards and printing e-batches on the signing computer for the first half hour to hour of the day then break down our supply pallets, then work out all the backorder signing and displays we never got for the last transition (for example, I'm still getting in the various infant displays that we never got in the first place). And on top of that, all the rest of the normal signing we do through the day.

What were they thinking? This was a total disaster from the moment the DC could barely get these enormous pallets off their dock and onto the truck.

And why are we doing this all at once? Why not do each section with each transition and when the area is freshly signed coordinate all that with the ad process to drive guests and sales? Imagine a guest whose been wary of Target since the credit card hack being invited back to Target with an ad for Ready to Wear and seeing we've redesigned the whole area and have some good deals, too? Wouldn't that be better than literally having entire sections of the store caution taped and coned off as some guy or gal hustles around flats of equipment, trash, and tools all with a ladder or beeping WAVE?

And I shudder to think how much all this cost? Millions, I suspect. And yet not any thought was put into how this would be implemented across thousands of live, working stores that also have plenty of other responsibilities going on. The whole thing boggles the mind.

So I applaud whomever it was that took a look at this mess and said, "You know what, let's think about a better way to do this."

In the meantime, I'll be in the backroom getting the displays built for Lawn and Patio and making sure I've got everything I need for the enormous Cosmetics transition coming up a few weeks after that.
 
Thanks to everyone who's been posting about this CSE project. I smelled disaster from the moment I saw it. I was missing the hardware pallet, so mine have been looming and taking up space. I got 3 pallets of regular signing and backordered parts and fixtures. Plus a couple pallets of shelving and fixtures so overall 10 pallets of awfulness. Got rid of the regular ISM pallets (oh, but the entire pallet of backordered NIT displays is still hanging out), and now have the 3 CSEs and a pallet of fixtures, not counting shelves. Oh man. Everything everyone has posted about the CSE sounds thoroughly confusing and frustrating.
 
Check your message boards guys!! Apparently the CSE set is on hold!!! Hopefully I'm not the only thrilled about this hold. The message board says "CSE and low walls" are on hold. So does that include high walls as well? Or just low walls?

Oh happy day! But my store is going to look like a mishmash of old and new signing...

I'm having so many issues with mine...my ETL and PTL at this point don't care about when it gets done with everything else that we have going on...they told me just do it when you can over the next few weeks since we don't have the hours for it. Like everyone else, it's all about Easter and Lawn&Patio right now.

Did anybody else run into issues with different sized falcon boards that were not communicated with the signs? I have a mix of signs that are too long and too short (height-wise) with the falconboards.

And for the low walls, are they supposed to go straight across behind the high walls? The cadence of low wall signing does not work with the high walls, if I was to put it behind the high walls.

I wonder how long the project is going to be on hold though, because of the pallet spaces...my Logistics ETL is going to be after me to dump it into the trash if it doesn't get done by a certain point because we need the pallet space back for the signing pallets.
 
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i hope even the cse is on hold not just the low wall. I still have baby for the low wall. and all of the cse. + that building of patio. my ptl hammered me to finish mini today.
 
Pretty glad on the hold-status, but not so glad on the space-will-be-taken-up-longer aspect.

I took it to mean both highs and lows entirely, the whole project. No details about why, just "until further notice." It did give me a chance to get the Easter overheads done and start wrapping up some junk piling up during this whole debacle. A friend a few stores away had not even started yet, pending an overnighter with several others to try to knock it out all at once, but looks like even that night is on hiatus.. The Easter overheads are pretty easy.. just that Sun thing I am not especially looking forward to =P

I've got a 3-foot section of endwall in JAS that none of the 4-ft falconboards will fit on, so that's a bit of a dilemma. The light fixture blocks placement near the top and the sunglasses endcap below it blocks just placing it lower. Our standards on the Mens/RTW low walls don't all go up high enough to be able to use left/right brackets, so the only way they could be hung would be with just the hang-style top bar only and no bottom since the bottom doesn't attach.

We're doing just okay on space, but I am really going to need the space for building all this lawn stuff, esp for my first go at it. I remember reading somewhere that the grocery, and possibly another section hardlines high walls were going to get pushed back to March or later, if I recall right. Possibly a message board, or the CSE schedule? I am also having trouble, as mentioned, with poorly drilled holes and saggy signs that don't fit the falconboards quite right -- most of them fit well but the random one will sag and look limp and messy. I also find the cream color of the swoosh panels to be rather grotesque and very 1970s Kmart dirty linoleum floor color.

I have put most of my hardware into a single tub or into older backer boxes. I had the idea a few months ago to order 30-ish 8x8x48 backerpaper boxes from MySupport (appx $1 ea) so I could create a 3x3 honeycomb square of them in order to store long plastic bits like various types of label strips in one easy-to-see place in our steel in the fxroom out of the way. I had several left over, and just put all of the CSE plastic uppers-lowers into these boxes and they are able to be set out of the way instead of in the enormous box. Whenever I needed another cluster of plastic hardware bits, I can just grab a backerpaper box worth and tub it out to the floor instead of rifling thru a kiddie-pool of miscellaneous plastic bits.

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Love how my PTL asked me for a layout of my workload today. I don't know what's up her a**? I just can tell she hasn't trust me from the beginning. Anyways, I still haven't receive any of the garden/patio displays to build. With the CSE project on hold, there wasn't much to do :/

How was everyone else's day?
 
Love how my PTL asked me for a layout of my workload today. I don't know what's up her a**? I just can tell she hasn't trust me from the beginning. Anyways, I still haven't receive any of the garden/patio displays to build. With the CSE project on hold, there wasn't much to do :/

How was everyone else's day?

Burned that I busted my old butt and almost had this CSE project finished. *sigh*

Global, do you mean patio furniture displays? We set L&G a month ago. They don't send furniture displays, you take them out of store stock.

On another note, I'm super excited to toss ALL the cosmetic fixtures!!!!
 
Love how my PTL asked me for a layout of my workload today. I don't know what's up her a**? I just can tell she hasn't trust me from the beginning. Anyways, I still haven't receive any of the garden/patio displays to build. With the CSE project on hold, there wasn't much to do :/

How was everyone else's day?

I always had a couple of projects in my back pocket for questions like that after I went through a a grilling about what I "was really doing" by the new PTL.
(Add on, it wasn't that I didn't have the work to do - it was that I didn't have the pat descriptions)
They usually involved rearranging the fixture room (when does it ever not need it), fixing signage that is starting to fall apart (ongoing stuff that you never seem to have time for) and ordering of the next set (and by the way do you have everything laid out so I can do that?).
Might work, it did for me for a while.
 
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Burned that I busted my old butt and almost had this CSE project finished. *sigh*

Global, do you mean patio furniture displays? We set L&G a month ago. They don't send furniture displays, you take them out of store stock.

On another note, I'm super excited to toss ALL the cosmetic fixtures!!!!

"To avoid rework, do not set anything further than you already have. If your store has already started setting an area, finish setting it, then stop. You'll receive additional details, including updated completion dates, via Message Board early this week."

I'm tempted to keep going with the CSE set...very curious to see what the holdup is. I didn't see any issues with the high walls for my store other than the H-clips and that thingamajig that holds the two boards together, but the low walls were another story.

@TargetOldTimer, Careful throwing out all the cosmetics fixtures. There's a list of fixtures that you do need to keep. A majority of them will be tossed.
 
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Love how my PTL asked me for a layout of my workload today. I don't know what's up her a**? I just can tell she hasn't trust me from the beginning. Anyways, I still haven't receive any of the garden/patio displays to build. With the CSE project on hold, there wasn't much to do :/

How was everyone else's day?

I dream of the day when I have nothing to do, everything is caught up on, nothing is broken or dirty, and the fixture room is a model of pristine excellence.

But then I wouldn't have any hours, much less a job.

Do you keep a running "To-Do" list? Now is an excellent time to do a store audit, and order/fix things that are broken, or to clean the fixture room, if you're not being pulled to do plano workload.
 
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