MEGATHREAD 2018-2019 Store Modernization Megathread

[OPINION] How do you feel about these changes?

  • I like them.

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Yetive

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Has anyone considered the fact that more payroll hours doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone gets more hours? Since many stores are still hiring, it appears that the company’s intent is to have more people working part time, therefore drastically cutting costs for company paid health insurance. Having two part timers working 20 hours each per week costs the company far less than one working full time.
Many stores are losing salaried managers and adding hourly ones. Those extra 40 GSTL hours, Closer 40 hours, etc. . . add up quickly.
 
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So right now, as I flex team member I'm on pg30. In my state, that IS $13 dollars and pg35 is $13.50. Does that mean our pg30s still get that extra 50 cents when we get bumped to pg35 even though we're already at the $13 mark?
The extra 50 is no longer a thing when that happens. All will be $13
 

gsa4lyfe

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The extra 50 is no longer a thing when that happens. All will be $13
No they won’t take away the $.50 and since his state minimum is already 13 I have a feeling everyone will stay where they’re at when the company goes to $13. Their state won’t see a difference until $14
 

Xanatos

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So right now, as I flex team member I'm on pg30. In my state, that IS $13 dollars and pg35 is $13.50. Does that mean our pg30s still get that extra 50 cents when we get bumped to pg35 even though we're already at the $13 mark?
PG30 will be eliminated, so people in your particular store/state will likely be bumped up to $13.50. Any non-TL will be at this same base pay, unless they were already above it.
 

CrypticTM

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No they won’t take away the $.50 and since his state minimum is already 13 I have a feeling everyone will stay where they’re at when the company goes to $13. Their state won’t see a difference until $14
Thats what I think is going to happen. One of our tms was bold enough to ask our TL if we were getting bumped a full dollar and our lead just looked super uncomfortable and kinda brushed it off like "probably not"
 

gsa4lyfe

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Thats what I think is going to happen. One of our tms was bold enough to ask our TL if we were getting bumped a full dollar and our lead just looked super uncomfortable and kinda brushed it off like "probably not"
Unfortunately PG35 wasn’t a minimum $12.50 PG and instead a $.50 above base pay grade so matter what PG30 went to PG35 would always be $.50 above So that’s why your state got 13 and 13.50 since PG30 has to be $13 in your state. Now that everyone goes to PG35 it will be a minimum paygrade where everyone makes at least $13. Since the previous PG35 TMs are already above $13 and everyone else is already at $13, nothing will change. $13 follows both your states minimum wage and targets minimum.
 
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So as someone who does the schedule there are a majority of reasons why we have to hire more people. My fave reasons is a team member only wants to work a 6-2:30. Well that’s actually not a shift I can schedule- that person now gets 8-2:30, and if I don’t have someone who can cover that gap, then I have to hire more. My late mids/ closets tend to come in at 5, so I now have to find someone to do 2:30-5.. so now I have to cut someone else’s hours to accommodate you wanting to go home and cook dinner; and usually it’s mosty a case of someone else wanting to work day hours. I then try to even all my hours out besides my rtw and kids tm who each get 40 because they have open availability. I also have to have options for call ins. The Flu KILLED us there year. There was 1 day when the entire salesfloor Called our and we couldn’t call anyone in because everyone had been scheduled or had been sick. We also need extra bodies because workload fluctuates. We need to be able to have backup on heavier weeks. A heavy week, with multiple call outs, never mind comping 30%, it can screw up a green Workcenter. So yes it sucks, but most of the time I’m scheduling to the needs of my work center, If I know u have benefits I try to give you enough hours, other than that I don’t schedule people purposely so that they can’t get them. I honestly don’t think most leaders do either, there’s no report at store level, we are trying to make modernization work, and having tms with flexible work centers is crucial.

Also for the pay.. it’s frustrating that newbies get paid the same- but they are now required to do more work than you did when you first started and half the time it is more than the raise you would have received.. Seniority isn’t and should never be a thing. It’s a bad culture for everyone else. I busted my butt harder than anyone at my store when I first started and was paid much less. Just because you are different doesn’t mean it’s the same everywhere and Most companies do the same thing.
 
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Also for the pay.. it’s frustrating that newbies get paid the same- but they are now required to do more work than you did when you first started and half the time it is more than the raise you would have received.. Seniority isn’t and should never be a thing. It’s a bad culture for everyone else. I busted my butt harder than anyone at my store when I first started and was paid much less. Just because you are different doesn’t mean it’s the same everywhere and Most companies do the same thing.
So sad...too bad. We were required to do the work that we were given when we were hired. They have to do "more work"? I don't find this to be valid. No. They have to do the work that they agreed to do when they were hired just as we did. Seniority should never be a thing? Why not? Those who have been there longer have proven that they have been able to meet and adapt to the ever changing business needs. How is being loyal to your employer a bad culture for anyone?? I don't know if I worked harder than anyone at my store. That's a pretty subjective and somewhat narcissistic statement. I know that I met goals (or beyond), got good or better reviews, learned the business and helped the company grow to where it is today. Why should that be negated?
 
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QUOTE="Rarejem, post: 512476, member: 194"]
So sad...too bad. We were required to do the work that we were given when we were hired. They have to do "more work"? I don't find this to be valid. No. They have to do the work that they agreed to do when they were hired just as we did. Seniority should never be a thing? Why not? Those who have been there longer have proven that they have been able to meet and adapt to the ever changing business needs. How is being loyal to your employer a bad culture for anyone?? I don't know if I worked harder than anyone at my store. That's a pretty subjective and somewhat narcissistic statement. I know that I met goals (or beyond), got good or better reviews, learned the business and helped the company grow to where it is today. Why should that be negated?
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Target is a "throwaway" company. Some businesses see value in the experience and other assets long term employees have. Some don't. Target is one of the latter. I can't say whether it was this way before I worked there, but it's that way now.
 
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Did modernization do away with. ‘TEAM MEMBER’ ? I’ve seen front of store advocate , GM expert, presentation expert, DBO, not a ‘team member’ in any title. Are we to stop using it even though we are still using Team Lead ?
 

Black Sheep 214

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Target is a "throwaway" company. Some businesses see value in the experience and other assets long term employees have. Some don't. Target is one of the latter. I can't say whether it was this way before I worked there, but it's that way now.
Might be ASANTS, but Spot used to value long term employees and treat them well. That was before the credit card breech, Target Canada debacle, the last recession and other setbacks pushed Spot into the current death spiral. Too bad they have lost or forced out the experienced people who could have helped mitigate the Modernization disaster...
 
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Might be ASANTS, but Spot used to value long term employees and treat them well. That was before the credit card breech, Target Canada debacle, the last recession and other setbacks pushed Spot into the current death spiral. Too bad they have lost or forced out the experienced people who could have helped mitigate the Modernization disaster...
Be careful, some people get touchy when you mention the Canada disaster.
 
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So as someone who does the schedule there are a majority of reasons why we have to hire more people. My fave reasons is a team member only wants to work a 6-2:30. Well that’s actually not a shift I can schedule- that person now gets 8-2:30, and if I don’t have someone who can cover that gap, then I have to hire more. My late mids/ closets tend to come in at 5, so I now have to find someone to do 2:30-5.. so now I have to cut someone else’s hours to accommodate you wanting to go home and cook dinner; and usually it’s mosty a case of someone else wanting to work day hours. I then try to even all my hours out besides my rtw and kids tm who each get 40 because they have open availability. I also have to have options for call ins. The Flu KILLED us there year. There was 1 day when the entire salesfloor Called our and we couldn’t call anyone in because everyone had been scheduled or had been sick. We also need extra bodies because workload fluctuates. We need to be able to have backup on heavier weeks. A heavy week, with multiple call outs, never mind comping 30%, it can screw up a green Workcenter. So yes it sucks, but most of the time I’m scheduling to the needs of my work center, If I know u have benefits I try to give you enough hours, other than that I don’t schedule people purposely so that they can’t get them. I honestly don’t think most leaders do either, there’s no report at store level, we are trying to make modernization work, and having tms with flexible work centers is crucial.
And 99% of these problems stem from the fact Target won't use set schedules for TMs. Expecting wide open availability for part time, irregular hours works better for robots than for human beings.
 
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Heaven forbid anyone wanting to work at Target have a family! You know what, Target should publicize that only people with no family, no life, no kids, no prospects of having kids, pets, or friends apply. Wouldn't that solve all those issues?
I dont think they are making it a secret with this new platform that is EXACTLY what they are trying to look for.
 
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Our store hasn't implemented Modernization yet (let alone really tell anybody anything about it) but I'm really dumbfounded on how any of this is going to work.

All week I and the entire inbound team are consistently asked to come in at 4am just to try and stay afloat in the backroom and to make enough room just to take the truck the next day... let's see this work when were getting forced out after 4 hour shifts.
 
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