MEGATHREAD 2018-2019 Store Modernization Megathread

[OPINION] How do you feel about these changes?

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Dapper

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From that video, it looks like corporate wants there to be those cart things, organized by department, on each truck so team members can simply take theirs and work it out. And I am going to also assume that they want this for every single truck, and not just for special occasions like a store's birthday. Let's go through what all that would entail:

1. In order to be even remotely accurate, each store would have to be zoned 100%, and have all counts accurate. None of this garbage of 0 on floor, 0 in back, 6 on hand, with 12 actually on the floor. Or 6 on floor, 0 in back, 6 on hand, 0 actually on the floor.
2. Those carts take up a lot of room. When we get trucks, they are generally packed to the brim. The people who work at the distribution centers are Tetris masters, and I'm being serious about that. In the video, there was a lot of unused space above the carts, as well as the carts themselves, and the space between them. We would get less product this way.
3. Somebody would have to de-box all of that. 1800 Targets * ~2000 piece truck = 3,600,000 boxes. Every single day. DCs simply couldn't handle that.
4. And even if they magically could, in addition to sorting amongst all of the stores, they'd also have to sort departments as well. Clearly, every store is exactly the same and never have pogs setting or remodels.
5. If we assume that stores get a 1:1 ratio to items sold, that still doesn't account for theft or mispicks. Because mispicks would totally still be a thing here; only difference is instead of the labels being wrong, it would be the DC thinking they sent us something they did not.

I don't feel like going on about this any more right now, but that looks like something that could only happen in Imaginationland. Unless it was backed up with such an absurd amount of money that Target would go broke within a month assuming they were serious about trying it.
Pretty sure it's been mentioned it's only for Express stores, and very small format stores. Almost no other stores would be realistically getting this anytime soon (specifically for the reasons you said).
 
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A speed ID will not be part of the new POS software— touchscreen only.
Wow, not sure what to say. Not convenient for front-end "guest advocates" (cashiers) who need to log out to go to the racetrack when their lane is empty, then log back in without a speed ID. "Modernization??"
 

PassinTime

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Wow, not sure what to say. Not convenient for front-end "guest advocates" (cashiers) who need to log out to go to the racetrack when their lane is empty, then log back in without a speed ID. "Modernization??"
Or for the advocates at SCO that have to log in to process coupons, remove a double scanned item, and check on all of the things that Karen needs help with.
 
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Your hours were reallocated to the depts and the depts are not doing their signing. That’s on the store and the team. The hours are still there. They just aren’t set aside for signing specifically.
Really? Now what department hangs FOS signing? Front end? And what department breaks down and sorts the pallets?
 
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Of all the complaints we could have that is a really dumb one. I can type my team member number in just as quickly as I can scan a speed id. Anyone who spends more than a few days at the front should be able to type their numbers in very quickly.
Yeah. I haven't used a speed ID in forever. For awhile, we were actually encouraged not to use them bc easier access for thieves.
 
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Something that I thought about today. Wouldn't it make more sense to push autos and the truck unload before doing EXFs and audits? My store is having us do EXFs first but I feel like it takes longer to scan lows and outs at the beginning because then you need to see if it was delivered or pulled that morning. Maybe there's just something I don't know about
 
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The entire point of modernization is efficiency (though that should be in quotations, for obvious reasons). Why? To do more with less. Of course hours are going to go down. That's the goal.

You can have less cashiers when everyone can cash, for example. Compared to last year, we're at ~500-600 less hours each week, sometimes more. The trucks are all the same size as they were before, so the workload hasn't changed. We're just given less hours to actually do it.
I can tell you right now that everyone does not cash in my store. I can call for backup and it might be the one general merch person who responds. So much for all the other team members on the floor not helping the front.
 

Sloth

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I can tell you right now that everyone does not cash in my store. I can call for backup and it might be the one general merch person who responds. So much for all the other team members on the floor not helping the front.
I can understand that though.
GM Experts are given a massive workload and no time to do it in. When it gets busy in the front, why should they drop everything they're doing and help out? Is the front going to help them with backstock later? Or push? Or zoning? No. How is that fair?

When it comes to reviews, saying you were never able to complete your workload because you were always up front helping out isn't an excuse. It won't get you that DEO, because your area on the floor looks like shit, you're two revisions behind, and you still have truck push in the back. In terms of self-preservation, it's best to just ignore those calls for backup unless you're specifically called by name to go up.

Honestly, regular TMs should never be the ones going up to help out the front. It makes zero sense. Send the ETLs up. What's the ETL-HR doing? What's the SD doing? Sitting in their offices? They should be on the lanes when it's busy. Leadership should be on the lanes.

The TMs actually doing work should be left to do their work. If they're trained properly, there's no need to constantly supervise them, so the TLs and up should be free to answer those calls for backup.
 
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seasonaldude

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GM Experts are given a massive workload and no time to do it in.
True. True.

Is the front going to help them with backstock later? Or push? Or zoning? No. How is that fair?
Yes. If you help us. I'm OPU. My hours come from guest services. I help GM all the time between picks. If my day is really slow, I'll go the a GM TL and ask if they have anything they need done. But, normally, I'm doing your reshop, zoning up your aisles, or auditing your outs.

I, however, can also be quite petty. Those GM TMs who do not answer calls to help the front end don't receive very much of my help, if any. People who have a team attitude get help from team members. People who don't have that attitude, well, sorry, I think I saw a couple of abandoned carts in rear seasonal I really have to wrangle up. By the way, your reshop bin is overflowing.
 

REDcardJJ

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i don't get why a store would schedule someone to pick orders using Service Desk hours which aren't actually earned or allocated for picking orders
 

Sloth

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i don't get why a store would schedule someone to pick orders using Service Desk hours which aren't actually earned or allocated for picking orders
Yeah. OPU should fall under Fulfillment, which is under GM.

Should, anyway. It seems like stores aren't all on the same page.. which is funny, because that's exactly what Modernization was supposed to prevent. But hey, that's what happens when there's little to no real communication or details on how to implement the new changes. Just a massively long list of things you can't do.
 
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Something that I thought about today. Wouldn't it make more sense to push autos and the truck unload before doing EXFs and audits? My store is having us do EXFs first but I feel like it takes longer to scan lows and outs at the beginning because then you need to see if it was delivered or pulled that morning. Maybe there's just something I don't know about
Your store is funny leadership might be one of those that know shyt about logistics. Its always zone first push truck push autos then you can scan outs and lows. Above all is guest first nothing is more important. It doesn't matter if you got vehicles in your aisles or lots of freight/tasks to do ofc if your not Fulfillment xD if they call for guest first must respond.
 

seasonaldude

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i don't get why a store would schedule someone to pick orders using Service Desk hours which aren't actually earned or allocated for picking orders
According to my HR, there was a pilot for doing exactly that. It was one of many different modernization pilots. Some pilot stores got some of the process. Some got others. My store was part of a pilot that OPU picking hours are scheduled under guest services and the GSTLs own all the OPU metrics. This was corporate directed.

The pilots are supposed to be over. However, we don't know whether or not this one particular part of the pilot is part of the final process. HR has not been given an answer either way. With our hour allocation that comes through from above it makes perfect sense to keep doing it this way. We have the hours to have more than full time coverage at the front end for OPU and the rest of the front end is doing well hour allocation wise except for cart attendants. We are well short of the necessary hours for GM to do everything they need to do though.

tl;dr it just makes sense for my store to use GS hours for OPU instead of GM hours and corporate won't tell us if we're doing it wrong despite being asked repeatedly by HR.
 

seasonaldude

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@seasonaldude, I got your back. Just put the reshop where I can see in the main racetrack, please. I will get them for you. I don’t like having extra carts of reshop.
Nah. Since I know you'll help out other workcenters and pass me a beer when needed, I'm not leaving an eyesore in your zone. I'll get your reshop and backstock what doesn't fit. I got ya.
 
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The point here is that modernization didn’t take hours away. So show me what your payroll was a year ago. Not 2011. Every time target “simplifies” a process they take away payroll. For ex: We don’t have to pull stupid caf batches all day long anymore. That got ridiculous years ago and it was always backstock.
So of course hours are less today than 2011.
I guess that's why the signing tm went away. Because there's no signing to do. Oh wait! There is. It's just sitting on still wrapped pallets in the back. 3 weeks worth now.
 
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Stores get X amount of payroll hours to use in a week. From there it gets broken down by departments (ex: log) and then refined again (ex: revlog, ff, inbound) until the hours are spent the way Corporate seems acceptable.

Once the schedules are keyed in the SD has to approve them and for now the District Leaders and some BPs are even auditing them to make sure stores are complying or on track to be fully Modernized on time. Every store is getting there at their own pace and the food chain knows this.

So while there might not be hours dedicated to Signing anymore, those hours didn’t dissolve. Your store is still getting the payroll hours but they are being used to support Modernization. I am sorry that they haven’t been giving you time to get any signing done, that’ll have to fall on them when they get a visit and can’t explain why it’s not.
So using your breakdown, where does overhead signing fall? Or breaking down the pallet? Or ordering supplies? Everyone says it needs to be done, but the hours aren't there.

You're guessing. You're theorizing. Of course the hours are gone. I'm sorry. You're a fool to think they aren't. I've got 5 pallets of signing untouched floating around. I did that job for over 10 years. I guess it's cheaper to make the signing, send it to the stores, and throw it away unused then allocate any payroll to do it. How is that efficient?
 
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My store was part of a pilot that OPU picking hours are scheduled under guest services and the GSTLs own all the OPU metrics. This was corporate directed.

The pilots are supposed to be over. However, we don't know whether or not this one particular part of the pilot is part of the final process. HR has not been given an answer either way. With our hour allocation that comes through from above it makes perfect sense to keep doing it this way. We have the hours to have more than full time coverage at the front end for OPU and the rest of the front end is doing well hour allocation wise except for cart attendants. We are well short of the necessary hours for GM to do everything they need to do though.

tl;dr it just makes sense for my store to use GS hours for OPU instead of GM hours and corporate won't tell us if we're doing it wrong despite being asked repeatedly by HR.

I think my store may be heading this direction too. GS covers all things OPU but not SFS.
 
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I’m sorry that your store doesn’t value you or the amazing things you accomplished as a signing TM. But please don’t let your bitterness and anger at your Leaders spill over and assume all stores are run the same way. All of our signing pallets have managed to be broke down every week and all of our signing that needs to be up is, what should be down is. We have a few TMs who can do the signing so when they’re done with their workload they jump in and take care of signing. If their workload is heavy a TL will jump in and take care of it. I know I’m lucky to work at a store where our SD can see the importance of making sure nothing fell between the cracks when Modernization rolled out. He’s never once had to ask anyone to take care of signing, in fact he’s the first one to thank whoever did make sure to get it up.

And I’ve been in HR for 5 years, I’m very well aware of what my stores payroll is and has been over those years. Our hours haven’t decreased and yes we do have more than we did a year ago. I’m sorry your store has let you down, but this is truly the epitome of ASANTS 😕
 

REDcardJJ

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According to my HR, there was a pilot for doing exactly that. It was one of many different modernization pilots. Some pilot stores got some of the process. Some got others. My store was part of a pilot that OPU picking hours are scheduled under guest services and the GSTLs own all the OPU metrics. This was corporate directed.

The pilots are supposed to be over. However, we don't know whether or not this one particular part of the pilot is part of the final process. HR has not been given an answer either way. With our hour allocation that comes through from above it makes perfect sense to keep doing it this way. We have the hours to have more than full time coverage at the front end for OPU and the rest of the front end is doing well hour allocation wise except for cart attendants. We are well short of the necessary hours for GM to do everything they need to do though.

tl;dr it just makes sense for my store to use GS hours for OPU instead of GM hours and corporate won't tell us if we're doing it wrong despite being asked repeatedly by HR.
in the modernization guide, guest advocates only focus on providing the guest with the best experience possible at the front end. no tasking, no freight. it'll be a moot point anyway after the mytime refresh because there will only be one FOS workcenter.
 
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I can understand that though.
GM Experts are given a massive workload and no time to do it in. When it gets busy in the front, why should they drop everything they're doing and help out? Is the front going to help them with backstock later? Or push? Or zoning? No. How is that fair?

When it comes to reviews, saying you were never able to complete your workload because you were always up front helping out isn't an excuse. It won't get you that DEO, because your area on the floor looks like shit, you're two revisions behind, and you still have truck push in the back. In terms of self-preservation, it's best to just ignore those calls for backup unless you're specifically called by name to go up.

Honestly, regular TMs should never be the ones going up to help out the front. It makes zero sense. Send the ETLs up. What's the ETL-HR doing? What's the SD doing? Sitting in their offices? They should be on the lanes when it's busy. Leadership should be on the lanes.

The TMs actually doing work should be left to do their work. If they're trained properly, there's no need to constantly supervise them, so the TLs and up should be free to answer those calls for backup.
My understanding with this new process is that more people will be on the floor and that those former flow members should also help cashiering. Not happening. Also, the front end hours have been gutted because there should be more people on the floor to help cashiering. Not happening. I know when I was watching the front the other day while my GSTL was on lunch, the ETL's were in the office eating lunch while the only two GM's were on a checklane. What should happen is not happening.
 

HLN13

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Yes. If you help us. I'm OPU. My hours come from guest services.
Not really related to your post but you know this is going away, right? At my store we had the same thing, where people picking OPU/DU’s were ‘Order Pickup’ under Guest Services. As part of modernization those ‘Order Pickup’ hours are supposed to be used towards another SD team member who primarily helps guests with picking up orders and takes out the drive ups. People picking the OPU’s will be under Flexible Fufillment and their shift tag will either be ‘OPU’ or ‘SFS’. OPU flex TMs at my store have been told that as part of the roll out they don’t do GM tasks anymore and if they’re SFS, pick/pack all day (unless it’s complete, then freight). OPU TMs pick OPU’s and pack when they don’t have orders.
 
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