MEGATHREAD 2018-2019 Store Modernization Megathread

[OPINION] How do you feel about these changes?

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How’s everyone adapting to mod! Still working out the kinks ....
Our new ETL (3rd in 8 months) had me pull pricing batches, mark them and hang them for like four hours during my five hour closing shift where I also had a zone so there’s that.
 

Sloth

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As a whole payroll shouldn’t go down. Just allocated differently. The problem is, being a new process, and people learning it, stuff takes longer to do at first until people become proficient. Also, time is spent training and teaching the process. So at least initially, it does feel like there’s less hours. Also, it will take some time for stores to figure out how to allocate everything so the most gets done.
The entire point of modernization is efficiency (though that should be in quotations, for obvious reasons). Why? To do more with less. Of course hours are going to go down. That's the goal.

You can have less cashiers when everyone can cash, for example. Compared to last year, we're at ~500-600 less hours each week, sometimes more. The trucks are all the same size as they were before, so the workload hasn't changed. We're just given less hours to actually do it.
 
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This “Area Owner” stuff is so silly. At my store we have to do pulls now. So I went from being a normal flow worker to answering phones, cashiering, backstocking, and now they want us to do the pulls too since the backroom has been dissolved. ALL IN 5 - 6 hours!! Anything less than full-time isn’t enough to do all that!

I won’t make it through the summer. It’s been fun, guys.
 
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seasonaldude

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It's really strange that they aren't throwing money at stores right now to get modernization implemented and working. I could understand if they gave TMs hours right now, got them efficient at their new roles, and then cut hours backs. That would be a workable, albeit malicious, corporate plan. Cutting hours and expecting the efficiency to just happen is magical thinking.
 
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It's really strange that they aren't throwing money at stores right now to get modernization implemented and working. I could understand if they gave TMs hours right now, got them efficient at their new roles, and then cut hours backs. That would be a workable, albeit malicious, corporate plan. Cutting hours and expecting the efficiency to just happen is magical thinking.
It’s like they want to push old TMs out the door. A lot of us would gladly do all of this if they gave us more hours. There are people at my store who’s been there a decade, and still don’t get 40 hours a week. I’m going on my 5th year. They keep saying $15 an hour, but that’s not a livable wage when you’re averaging 20 hours a week.

And everyone knows this. Once I quit I’ll probably never step foot inside a Target again, or I’ll wait until a massive going out of business sale 😂
 
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Hours are 100% going down. The “being allocated to different workcenters” is bs. This time last year we were at 3900-4200 hours now we are around 2800-2900
Did your store make sales year end? If not, that is the reason for the payroll decrease.
 

seasonaldude

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It’s like they want to push old TMs out the door.
Yes, but even then it's a nonsensical plan. First, give the old TMs hours to make it work, then start cutting. They will start to leave for greener pastures. However, they won't all leave at once. Some will still be available to train the replacements. Eventually, all the old TMs will be gone and the first replacements then train the last replacements. Then, you would have achieved your nefarious goals.

Pushing out the old TMs first makes things more difficult on yourself.
 

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Yes, but even then it's a nonsensical plan. First, give the old TMs hours to make it work, then start cutting. They will start to leave for greener pastures. However, they won't all leave at once. Some will still be available to train the replacements. Eventually, all the old TMs will be gone and the first replacements then train the last replacements. Then, you would have achieved your nefarious goals.

Pushing out the old TMs first makes things more difficult on yourself.
But this doesn't make it so next quarter's shares go up up up. No one cares about shares next year or five years from now.
 
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It’s like they want to push old TMs out the door. A lot of us would gladly do all of this if they gave us more hours. There are people at my store who’s been there a decade, and still don’t get 40 hours a week. I’m going on my 5th year. They keep saying $15 an hour, but that’s not a livable wage when you’re averaging 20 hours a week.

And everyone knows this. Once I quit I’ll probably never step foot inside a Target again, or I’ll wait until a massive going out of business sale 😂
I've felt like they have been working towards pushing long term TMs out for a long time. Cutting hours is just the latest. There are the occasions when we are denied cross-training, which is given to a newer and younger TM instead. When we are passed over for TL positions for younger TMs or outside hires (And we usually are the ones who have to train them to take the positions over us). When because of the raises in starting wage, we make the exact same rate as the TM they hired yesterday. I could go on. Any value they saw in their seasoned team members is long gone. We're surplus to requirement now, and they're going to make things miserable for us until we quit or they find an excuse to performance us out.
 
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The store has made sales every year.

2011 hours were on average 6500-6800 (granted a lot has changed but just for reference)
2019 hours are under 3000 consistently with the same workload
The point here is that modernization didn’t take hours away. So show me what your payroll was a year ago. Not 2011. Every time target “simplifies” a process they take away payroll. For ex: We don’t have to pull stupid caf batches all day long anymore. That got ridiculous years ago and it was always backstock.
So of course hours are less today than 2011.
 
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still haven't seen this and its been 45 days since this tweet ... whats goin on ???? its 2019 why are trucks loaded like its 1971 ??
Because we as a company don’t know jack about logistics.

And to do this we would need to redo our DCs. This is a pipe dream. An unrealistic pipe dream that would drive us to ruin should we try it.
 
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still haven't seen this and its been 45 days since this tweet ... whats goin on ???? its 2019 why are trucks loaded like its 1971 ??
I ended up going to this store when I was in NY in March. The store was clean and well stocked. That being said, Target probably works to make Lower Manhattan stores appear pristine - this one even has a Chobani Yogurt Cafe. Obviously this works at a store of this size. In contrast, there are 20 Targets in the state I work in. Just 2 could be considered small-format/not normal size. One of them only opened last Fall.
 

band_rules16

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Yep. I'm still waiting on this too. They forgot to post the second truck that sits there for days because it was a double and there aren't enough hours to unload both.

Hours are 100% going down. The “being allocated to different workcenters” is bs. This time last year we were at 3900-4200 hours now we are around 2800-2900
I'm not sure ours are going down, but my ETL told me she wanted me full time this summer. I almost laughed in her face...Target never gave me full time in the summer before. I told her I have a seasonal full time position and I would be keeping my usual 15-20 hours a week from the school year.
 
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The entire point of modernization is efficiency (though that should be in quotations, for obvious reasons). Why? To do more with less. Of course hours are going to go down. That's the goal.

You can have less cashiers when everyone can cash, for example. Compared to last year, we're at ~500-600 less hours each week, sometimes more. The trucks are all the same size as they were before, so the workload hasn't changed. We're just given less hours to actually do it.
Exactly, I don't think it takes much to see that that was the end goal here.
 

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The point here is that modernization didn’t take hours away. So show me what your payroll was a year ago. Not 2011. Every time target “simplifies” a process they take away payroll. For ex: We don’t have to pull stupid caf batches all day long anymore. That got ridiculous years ago and it was always backstock.
So of course hours are less today than 2011.
Like I said, in 2018 we had at least 1000 more hours in May. The workload has not gotten any smaller, the processes are less efficient the trucks are bigger and more frequent.

The 2011 numbers was just to show that it’s a trend and hours never come back once they are gone.
 
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I cant speak for last year but back in March and first part of April I was scheduled for 20 hours but was often times working about 30 or more hours per week because my TL asked me to stay late. My TL even told me he wanted to stay scheduling me for longer shifts. Those longer shifts appeared on a schedule for a few hours and then they were changed back to my normal 4 hours. We are also very rarely allowed to stay late now that we are a little further along with modernization. It's almost impossible to do the unload, push u boats with 6 or more repacks plus casepacks, and do blackstock all in 4 hours unless it's a small truck
 

SurefireWolf

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From that video, it looks like corporate wants there to be those cart things, organized by department, on each truck so team members can simply take theirs and work it out. And I am going to also assume that they want this for every single truck, and not just for special occasions like a store's birthday. Let's go through what all that would entail:

1. In order to be even remotely accurate, each store would have to be zoned 100%, and have all counts accurate. None of this garbage of 0 on floor, 0 in back, 6 on hand, with 12 actually on the floor. Or 6 on floor, 0 in back, 6 on hand, 0 actually on the floor.
2. Those carts take up a lot of room. When we get trucks, they are generally packed to the brim. The people who work at the distribution centers are Tetris masters, and I'm being serious about that. In the video, there was a lot of unused space above the carts, as well as the carts themselves, and the space between them. We would get less product this way.
3. Somebody would have to de-box all of that. 1800 Targets * ~2000 piece truck = 3,600,000 boxes. Every single day. DCs simply couldn't handle that.
4. And even if they magically could, in addition to sorting amongst all of the stores, they'd also have to sort departments as well. Clearly, every store is exactly the same and never have pogs setting or remodels.
5. If we assume that stores get a 1:1 ratio to items sold, that still doesn't account for theft or mispicks. Because mispicks would totally still be a thing here; only difference is instead of the labels being wrong, it would be the DC thinking they sent us something they did not.

I don't feel like going on about this any more right now, but that looks like something that could only happen in Imaginationland. Unless it was backed up with such an absurd amount of money that Target would go broke within a month assuming they were serious about trying it.
 
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